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Post by brunneng on Nov 8, 2004 9:26:32 GMT -5
Janesbe, I was talking about a different Temps board, and misspoke with the word "leader." Actually meant administrator..... and, apparently, there are some guidelines on this other board. (At least that was what was said to me.) I'm pretty sure there is not a "no politics" guideline here.  I guess my only alternative is to just avoid this thread or this board entirely..... Peach Avoid the thread, but don't avoid the board! We all like a nice juicy Peach!  ...when it's cold outside... |
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Post by Beej on Nov 8, 2004 16:37:37 GMT -5
"No one opinion is any more valuable than another person's."Not true. An uninformed opinion has substantially less value than an informed one. For example, I could give an opinion on French architecture. Since I know nothing about French architecture, it wouldn't be nearly as valuable as the opinion of a French architect, n'est-ce pas vrai?It might make those who have only a casual interest in world events feel better to believe their opinions on political matters are equally valid to those of someone who takes the time to delve inside policies and get to the heart of an issue, but the simple truth is they're not. This particular thread is rife with uninformed opinions...and it's lowered the overall level of discourse as a result. 
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Post by brunneng on Nov 8, 2004 17:03:42 GMT -5
I've held my tongue *long* enough. quote] I could never hold my tongue! It is way too big! My hands are way too big to fit into my mouth, too! Guess that is why I never hold my tongue!  ...no more water in the well... |
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Post by tabby on Nov 8, 2004 17:47:40 GMT -5
Long live arrogance! By the way, I know a little French, too. "Vive la liberte!" (I don't know, however, how to get that darned accent aigu on top of the e.  ) :laughing
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Post by tabby on Nov 8, 2004 18:14:43 GMT -5
"... Reach through the monitor and strangle that miserable SOB on the other end until he passes out. ..."  Geez. That's downright violent ;D But I'll keep it with the President: "Bring 'em on! Bring 'em on!" What would YOU say, if such a hand came out of your screen? I guess that would make an excellent thread. Edited because one has to watch grammar and spelling. |
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Post by janebse on Nov 8, 2004 18:28:49 GMT -5
Ah, the informed opinion. Sounds good and rather erudite.
Unfortunately, I remember posting an "informed opinion" by an expert (an educated professional long time in the field and with personal knowledge of, working experience with, and friendship with the Temptations and Motown from the 1960's on) and having practically everyone on the board ridicule it because it did not agree with their opinion or they simply did not want to believe it. I suspect it was the latter.
The problem with an "informed opinion" is that many people do not and will not agree that someone else's opinion which differs from theirs can be "informed" no matter how much validation is offered.
Based on that realization I still say all opinions are valid. I'll add a slight note here. Since evaluation and acceptance of any artist is based on public response, in that sense we all rate about equal.
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Post by tabby on Nov 8, 2004 18:43:11 GMT -5
"For example, I could give an opinion on French architecture. Since I know nothing about French architecture, it wouldn't be nearly as valuable as the opinion of a French architect, n'est-ce pas vrai?" I agree and I disagree ;D This is not meant to be cynical, but the value of this opinion depends on what the question would have been. If you ask an architect what he thinks of one or the other structural component of a building, his expert opinion is surely the one who counts in contrast of a layman's opinion. But if you ask him about his opinion of a building's aesthetics, his opinion has no greater value than that of a layman, in my opinion. Why? Because everyone has a different opinion about what is beautiful. Same in politics. Sure, numbers and statistics count. But to one segment of the population the numbers of added jobs are more important than those of "persons wanting a job" because their focus is simply different. (According to the stats, there actually are such people, although some people will always claim that everyone who wants a job can get one -- which by the way is a vast generalization These numbers evoke different opinions in different people. And in my book "different" does not mean inferior. |
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Post by MissTara on Nov 8, 2004 22:31:08 GMT -5
Quelle est cette architecture francaise dont vous etes parler? L'ampereheure, ne sous-estiment pas la puissance de ce cheri americain. |
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Post by tabby on Nov 8, 2004 23:11:46 GMT -5
Miss Tara. Ich glaube man redet von franzoesischer Architektur im Allgemeinen. War ja alles nur ein Beispiel. Und ganz bestimmt unterschaetzt dich hier niemand. ;D
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Post by Beej on Nov 9, 2004 3:12:47 GMT -5
"The problem with an 'informed opinion' is that many people do not and will not agree that someone else's opinion which differs from theirs can be 'informed' no matter how much validation is offered."Agreed. Unfortunately, too many people allow the "less informed" to control the direction and tone of the discussion...just to avoid conflict. I'm not one of those people. To me, if you know what you're talking about and are able to make a solid case, it's your obligation to be persistent and make sure your point is heard. Some folks will be open-minded enough to reserve judgment and consider the merit of your argument. Others will outright refuse to even contemplate the possibility that their beliefs are inconsistent with reality; no amount of proof will persuade them. That's their problem. Just look at the way some people have handled the re-election of this president and sweeping Republican victories in the House and Senate. They'll look for every reason under the sun to explain why the Democrats lost...except one: Americans rejected the leftist agenda in an effort to restore the traditional values and principles this country was founded on. "These numbers evoke different opinions in different people. And in my book 'different' does not mean inferior."Right. It's called analysis...and, to differing degrees, everyone of us processes information through our own knowledge and personal experiences to draw conclusions. We might both agree on the same set of facts but be 180-degrees apart on what we think they mean. This nation is polarized on a wide range of issues; why should a message board community be any different? I have no problem with that...I accept that people see the world differently. It's when one side sticks to a certain line of thinking that seems to defy logic -- and offers no substantive proof -- that the waters get murky. It's not that I want everyone to agree with me; I simply want those who disagree with me to present a thoughtful case for their position. In other words, show me where I'm wrong. Over the course of this thread, I've written (what seems like) half a novel expressing my views and explaining why I feel they are correct. The negative responses I've received have generally amounted to little more than a few sentences of snide remarks or incoherent babble. Not one person has been willing to construct a thoughtful, well-reasoned argument to refute a single claim. Saying, "Well, I just don't like George Bush," or offering hypothetical scenarios that conform to your beliefs as proof are not valid arguments. I understand not everyone's good at expressing himself...but good lord...give me SOMETHING to work with. Help me understand your side of the issue. I'm not interested in watching this thread devolve into personal attacks or petty arguments instigated to spare egos or save face. There's a great potential for interesting and educational discussion here, but people on all sides of the issues need to be considerate enough to lay out their views for their counterparts and support them with evidence. Otherwise... we're just wasting each other's time.
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Post by MissTara on Nov 9, 2004 7:52:36 GMT -5
Je sais ceci. Votre Allemand est tres bon bien que je ne pourrais pas comprendre completement ce que vous dites. ;D |
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Post by Ivory on Nov 9, 2004 8:39:07 GMT -5
The quote you are referring to by me was meant as a joke. Well "long ago" there was an election going on. Have you seen me slam any Republicans lately? A new term is a new opportunity to reach out to the whole nation. We have one country, one constitution, and one future that binds us.
And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America. ~ George W. Bush
When al qaeda flew a plane in to the World Trade Center murdering 2,799 people and one of our Temptations fan sisters, were they aiming at Democrats or Republicans? Liberals or Conservatives ................. that's a rhetorical question and something I think some of us here (on both sides of the issue) seem to have forgotten. .... Ivory passes Jane the 5 bucks she promised her for making that statement.......KIDDING!!!! Ha haaa!!!! I'm KIDDING!!!!!!! ;D |
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Post by brunneng on Nov 9, 2004 10:24:02 GMT -5
I got a flyer in the mail YESTERDAY asking me to vote for Kerry! Too little, too late. Ladies, if you are going to use French or German, give us a break and translate! ...all I need... |
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Post by MissTara on Nov 9, 2004 10:36:37 GMT -5
Quelle est cette architecture francaise dont vous etes parler? L'ampereheure, ne sous-estiment pas la puissance de ce cheri americain. This one I was asking her what french architecture she was speaking of, and to never underestimate the power of an american dah'lin. ;D |
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Post by tabby on Nov 9, 2004 10:40:41 GMT -5
Je sais ceci. Votre Allemand est tres bon bien que je ne pourrais pas comprendre completement ce que vous dites. ;D And this one says that my German is pretty good and that she doesn't understand all I said though. |
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