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Post by ZeldaFScott on Feb 5, 2004 16:17:31 GMT -5
To cry,"Temptations forever!" and then say that one of them -- a very important one -- should forget about being one is not a statement that would convince me of one being a better Tempt fan than anyone else. To me it means one prefers to hang out with the winner and is willing to kick the loser because that's the easiest way. Being a staunch fan of a constantly changing collection of artists with only one "steady fixture" and granting them more authenticity than the other group with the same steady ingredient simply makes no sense. My opinion!
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Post by Ivory Fair on Feb 5, 2004 19:18:35 GMT -5
Aba, while I agree with you that not putting Otis in with the five other images was kinda messed up, I can also see the motivation that Dennis and Eddie were close and they wanted to include him. I mean yeah, you can't rewrite history like that, but it wasn't like it was motivated ONLY because of ill feelings for Otis. KNow what I mean?
And his name IS there. It's just that those of us who know the Tempts better than the average Joe are smart enough to realize that it's Dennis being portrayed up there and not O.
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Post by Ivory Fair on Feb 5, 2004 19:24:53 GMT -5
Well Jane, here's my opinion .................. the following are factual statements ............. Otis helped found the group, Dennis did not ............ Some sources cite Otis as the one who came up with the group's name, Dennis did not ................ Otis fought, in the late '70's, for what rights he has to the name at a time when Dennis had left the group to pursue solo efforts ............... Dennis left the group of his own free will on one if not three occasions. If you leave your job, you can't take the companies name with you. .......... Motown owns the name, Dennis is not signed with Motown. For those reasons, and more that i won't go into, the Temptations have and will always have more legitimacy than the Temptations Review (or Ali's group, or Richard's group, or Glenn's group or Damon's group or whomever....)
You see, it has absolutely nothing to do with what WE think.
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Post by MikeNYC on Feb 5, 2004 22:36:24 GMT -5
Well Jane, here's my opinion .................. the following are factual statements ............. Otis helped found the group, Dennis did not ............ Some sources cite Otis as the one who came up with the group's name, Dennis did not ................ Otis fought, in the late '70's, for what rights he has to the name at a time when Dennis had left the group to pursue solo efforts ............... Dennis left the group of his own free will on one if not three occasions. If you leave your job, you can't take the companies name with you. .......... Motown owns the name, Dennis is not signed with Motown. For those reasons, and more that i won't go into, the Temptations have and will always have more legitimacy than the Temptations Review (or Ali's group, or Richard's group, or Glenn's group or Damon's group or whomever....) You see, it has absolutely nothing to do with what WE think. This is pure :bs: No source said Otis named the group.Because he didn't.So when Otis was with Atlantic,he was not a Temptation? Well that's news! If not,what does being signed to Motown have to do with anything?You can't go into any reasons,and that is the only reason you won't! As soon as the music starts....people will know that the court of law can name anyone anything....but the Review has the legit sound! A TEMPTING sound...a HALL OF FAME sound,that Otis can't provide!And you can't IGNORE! ;D I won't let you. You say Dennis left on his own three times. I don't want to hear otherwise from you! These are also FACTUAL STATEMENTS,that you can't IGNORE! I won't let you! :nono |
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Post by Aba21 on Feb 5, 2004 22:51:37 GMT -5
Aba, while I agree with you that not putting Otis in with the five other images was kinda messed up, I can also see the motivation that Dennis and Eddie were close and they wanted to include him. I mean yeah, you can't rewrite history like that, but it wasn't like it was motivated ONLY because of ill feelings for Otis. KNow what I mean? And his name IS there. It's just that those of us who know the Tempts better than the average Joe are smart enough to realize that it's Dennis being portrayed up there and not O. All I'm saying is that is does not look right and I am not blaming anyone for it. I don't know the motivation behind the decision not to have a statue of Otis. I just think it's wrong..........IMO |
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Post by kalisa2 on Feb 5, 2004 23:10:59 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that is does not look right and I am not blaming anyone for it. I don't know the motivation behind the decision not to have a statue of Otis. I just think it's wrong..........IMO Well, I have to agree with you...that's what's bothered me from the beginning, going out of their way to portray a group that never performed together in that configuration, the historical inaccuracy. BTW, I can't remember where Melvin was from...was it B'ham by any chance? It still ain't right but maybe they were getting in as many Native Sons portrayed and 'somebody' had to go  . Still not right. just like it bothers me that the movie will go down in posterity showing that Dennis, Eddie and David "formed their own group" well before the HOF induction...hey, it took me a while to figure out that the movie was wrong... and I cared more than your average bear. |
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Post by Nupeman88 on Feb 6, 2004 1:35:34 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that is does not look right and I am not blaming anyone for it. I don't know the motivation behind the decision not to have a statue of Otis. I just think it's wrong..........IMO I agree that not having O's statue there is not right. My personal opinion is that they only wanted to include Alabama natives. I have not seen that statues in question, but what I'm gathering from the discussion is that Otis is not included becauses of Eddie's family's wishes. I don't know if that's true. But let's face it.....All of the statues seem to be 'Bama natives, I don't think that they meant to slight Otis.....that's my take on the subject. I didn't read that anyone mentioned DR in the discussion...Yall see where I'm going with this?  |
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Post by Nupeman88 on Feb 6, 2004 1:46:59 GMT -5
Well, I have to agree with you...that's what's bothered me from the beginning, going out of their way to portray a group that never performed together in that configuration, the historical inaccuracy. BTW, I can't remember where Melvin was from...was it B'ham by any chance? It still ain't right but maybe they were getting in as many Native Sons portrayed and 'somebody' had to go . Still not right. just like it bothers me that the movie will go down in posterity showing that Dennis, Eddie and David "formed their own group" well before the HOF induction...hey, it took me a while to figure out that the movie was wrong... and I cared more than your average bear. Melvin was from Montgomery, Alabama. They could have included David Ruffin in the statues. Ruffin was Melvin's cousin, and he was from Whynot, MS. For those who are not familiar with the region, Whynot is as close as you can get from MS to AL. Ruffin himself said that "Why" was in MS, and "not" was in AL.  |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Feb 6, 2004 2:30:57 GMT -5
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Post by Nupeman88 on Feb 6, 2004 2:49:00 GMT -5
Never say never. Dennis doesn't try to stop Otis from making a living .The Review never tried to take credit for what the Temptations have done...I didn't see any of them trying to horne in on the Hall Of Fame Induction.Matter Of Fact,I see Otis'boys taking credit for things that THEY didn't earn like the Hollywood walk of stars. Riddle me this MikeNYC? You state that the Review never "tried to take credit" for what the Temptations have done. I UNDERSTAND that Dennis sang lead on many of the Temptations hits. If he wanted to perform the songs that he recorded with them is more than fair. Now, it is my opinion that he IS taking certain priviledges that he and the Review are not entitled to, such as performing many of the Temptations later hits that HE did not sing or record on. For example, the Review perform Lady Soul, Stay and others. Is it not taking credit when they have performed "STAY" with one of O's "boys" Theo and had the gall to even sing the phrase "TEMPTATIONS SING" on nationally broadcast The Tom Joyner Morning Show? Could they have sang "Temptations Review fearturing Dennis Edwards", since that's who they really are? Yes, Dennis made many contributions to the Tempts legacy, but really, if the HOF had followed the requirements for induction, Dennis wouldn't have made it in the HOF. By that same token, they should have allowed Richard Street in too ,since, at the time of induction, he technically had more accumulated time in the group than Dennis. In my opinion, all Temptations,(past and present) prior to 1989 should have been inducted if they allowed Dennis in. That's fair. Remember, ain't no one man bigger that the group, because all members previous to induction to the HOF contributed to the overall success of the Temptations. Now that's the TRUTH!! Can you argue against that? ???P.S. I don't recall hearing O's "boys" performing the Review's version of God Bless America or Natrually either. Can Dennis and the Review claim this? I'm not taking sides, here Mike, but fair is fair. You say that the Review are not taking credit for what the Temptations have done. Why are they performing Temptations songs, dance routines, way of dress, etc? If they want to be known as a distinct entity, why do they perform songs that Dennis didn't have a hand,(voice) in? Every time they perform they are sending a subliminal message, (You know what it is). |
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Post by Nupeman88 on Feb 6, 2004 3:07:25 GMT -5
I started to download, but my dialog box indicated 1hr 26 min, to download, just don't have the time, Ivory, do you have a still shot of the statues? Please!! |
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Post by temptfan on Feb 6, 2004 5:37:22 GMT -5
 I totally agree with you Nupeman88!
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Post by Ivory Fair on Feb 6, 2004 9:45:24 GMT -5
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Post by MikeNYC on Feb 8, 2004 22:23:55 GMT -5
Riddle me this MikeNYC? You state that the Review never "tried to take credit" for what the Temptations have done. I UNDERSTAND that Dennis sang lead on many of the Temptations hits. If he wanted to perform the songs that he recorded with them is more than fair. Now, it is my opinion that he IS taking certain priviledges that he and the Review are not entitled to, such as performing many of the Temptations later hits that HE did not sing or record on. For example, the Review perform Lady Soul, Stay and others. Is it not taking credit when they have performed "STAY" with one of O's "boys" Theo and had the gall to even sing the phrase "TEMPTATIONS SING" on nationally broadcast The Tom Joyner Morning Show? Could they have sang "Temptations Review fearturing Dennis Edwards", since that's who they really are? Yes, Dennis made many contributions to the Tempts legacy, but really, if the HOF had followed the requirements for induction, Dennis wouldn't have made it in the HOF. By that same token, they should have allowed Richard Street in too ,since, at the time of induction, he technically had more accumulated time in the group than Dennis. In my opinion, all Temptations,(past and present) prior to 1989 should have been inducted if they allowed Dennis in. That's fair. Remember, ain't no one man bigger that the group, because all members previous to induction to the HOF contributed to the overall success of the Temptations. Now that's the TRUTH!! Can you argue against that? ???P.S. I don't recall hearing O's "boys" performing the Review's version of God Bless America or Natrually either. Can Dennis and the Review claim this? I'm not taking sides, here Mike, but fair is fair. You say that the Review are not taking credit for what the Temptations have done. Why are they performing Temptations songs, dance routines, way of dress, etc? If they want to be known as a distinct entity, why do they perform songs that Dennis didn't have a hand,(voice) in? Every time they perform they are sending a subliminal message, (You know what it is). I've heard the "logic" that you are thinking....not right,but it's yours.O's boys sing Dennis' Papa Was ARolling Stone,Can't Get Next To You,etc.Same shtuff! It's not about "sides".The Review performs better...I have nothing to do with that. I agree that they shouldn't waste time on those LESSER tunes like Lady Soul and Stay. Now,on the same token would you say the same "logic" about The Tempts singing Yesterday,Let It Be,Hey Jude,Eye Of The Tiger? Were they copying the Beatles? Or were they putting their own spin on the songs? I've said that they shouldn't waste time on the songs like Stay and Lady Soul. When David Sea sings Wish It Woul Rain,unlike no other. You stated that the requirment for the Hall Of Fame Dennis didn't fit,then I've got two questions for you...1) why did they put him in there,on Otis' say,or because they liked him,or because he DESERVED IT?2) Could you justify them being inducted without him?They would not have made it without him.BOTTOM LINE! NO SIDES to be taken here,if you know anything about the Temptations! Your mimiseries,as mush as I despise it,should tell you something...they downplayed Dennis,but didn't even mention Woodson,Damon,Glenn,Bo,Theo,Joe,Gc,Rickey. What does that tell you? Dennis Edwards made an impression on somebody that the others that I named didn't. Open your eyes and don't be jealous. Riddle me that one! ;D |
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Post by MikeNYC on Feb 8, 2004 22:25:20 GMT -5
I totally agree with you Nupeman88! Good for you! You're using someone else's name yourself! :bonk: |
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