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Post by kalisa2 on Apr 28, 2004 10:54:00 GMT -5
Well I'm real slow, but I eventually (usually) get there...
When Richard was talking about singing Paul's part from behind the curtain (for about 7 months he said), he made reference to Muhammed Ali and how he "saw four people but heard 5 voices....so obviously Paul wasn't at the performance that HE (Ali) saw where Richard was behind the curtain singing.
Mike, is this what you have been driving me crazy implying it didn't happen....that Richard was behind the curtain singing and Paul was onstage as depicted in the Miniseries? Richard never did say Paul was onstage when he was doing that...in fact I don't think I've really heard anybody say that Richard sang Paul's part when Paul was actually on the stage.
<yah where's that "lightbulb lightining up" smiley when you need it?>
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Post by kalisa2 on Apr 28, 2004 11:00:43 GMT -5
Well ............. either the guy who asked him was dumb enough to think that Richard's actually ON the album ............ or he's SMART enough to know how involved Richard was with the group all the time. Since the dude is the president of the Jersey chapter of the Motown Alumni Assoc., I suspect it's the latter. I dunno, Ivory....It's kinda like every thing you see on Richard says something like "he was part of the group when they were inducted into the R&R HOF", or on his bio that I just read "He was THERE when they were inducted". Now, if you don't know the history and the group that well, it would be real easy to slide into the assumption that Richard was inducted...which we know isn't the case. And the guy and Richard yakking about Mellow Mood, it would be real easy (if you didn't know better) to assume from the conversation that Richard was singing with the group when Mellow Mood was made. |
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Post by Aba21 on Apr 28, 2004 11:00:43 GMT -5
Yeah ............. I thought the same thing ............... I'm gonna ASSUME Richard knows more about it than I do  but my EOS "bible" says it was '93 and O's book says it was 1993 (p. 228.) It might have been one of those late '93 early '94 kinda things. Anyone remember for sure? Either way it was BEFORE 1995 when Melvin died.  tHEO MOST CERTAINLY WAS IN THE GROUP PRIOR TO mELVIN'S DEATH....... |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Apr 28, 2004 16:34:53 GMT -5
So you think Richard is up to something smarmy K?
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Post by kalisa2 on Apr 28, 2004 16:49:51 GMT -5
nawww...the smarmy is his jokes :laughing  I just think he's 'embellishing' on some of the facts...stretching his tenure with the Tempts, hoping some of that HOF induction will rub off on him since he was 'there' and 'in the group', same with Mellow Mood. He didn't lie (well, I dunno about the date of his departure, that still confuses me)...he just seems allow some leeway in the sharp edges of truth so there's room for people to assume something grander about him than the reality...which is grand enough all by itself (but doesn't include HOF induction  ) ...I'm not knocking Richard. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Apr 28, 2004 17:34:42 GMT -5
Well I'm real slow, but I eventually (usually) get there... When Richard was talking about singing Paul's part from behind the curtain (for about 7 months he said), he made reference to Muhammed Ali and how he "saw four people but heard 5 voices....so obviously Paul wasn't at the performance that HE (Ali) saw where Richard was behind the curtain singing. Mike, is this what you have been driving me crazy implying it didn't happen....that Richard was behind the curtain singing and Paul was onstage as depicted in the Miniseries? Richard never did say Paul was onstage when he was doing that...in fact I don't think I've really heard anybody say that Richard sang Paul's part when Paul was actually on the stage. <yah where's that "lightbulb lightining up" smiley when you need it?> Re read otis book. Muhammad Ali's quote about the voices has been used in many ways. it's not clear when he said it,it could have been during Reunion time. He is the only one who I heard say anything like that. Now ,before anyone jumps up and says.."Well Richard said it,he must know what he's talking about...I remember Melvin saying on tv that they didn't want to record Papa Was A Rolling Stone...saying that they fought tooth & nail not to do it...they wanted a ballard...They got their wish with the next release...Just My Imagination...that's not true. I remember Eddie saying that Otis never came to see any of his shows...I know for a fact that Otis,Richard Glenn..and Melvin came to see Eddie's show in L.A. I was not present at the recording of Papa,was not in L.A. with Otis at Eddie's show. I just know that JMI was recorded before Papa Was A Rolling Stone..and I know that Otis came to Eddie's show. Question...Who was the fifth voice when Otis missed several shows in 72? Ali could have said that then? |
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Post by tempfan on Apr 28, 2004 18:56:41 GMT -5
Regarding Theo, He joined The Temptations in December of 1992. I saw him New Year's Eve Dec. 31, 1992 and he was on stage from beginning to end, did all the moves and was introduced as the newest member of the group! From then on he was in the group till his departure in 98. In 93 he started doing "I will always love you" during concerts playing his special horn in the middle of the song. In 94 he recorded with the group the new songs for the EOS box set plus "Do you love me" for the Berry Gordy Album and "Broken Pieces" for the Motown comes Home Album. Plus was at the ceremony in Sept. of 94 when the group got its star on the walk of fame. As to Richard stating he was in the group till 95 unless it was in a backstage role like when Paul became ill I think he's counting his taking over "The Temptin' Temptations" or "The Temptations" as they were called alot in other countries for Dennis when Dennis left his first group which was an off shoot of the Ruffin, Kendricks, Edwards group. This was what started all the court battles over the groups name.
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Post by kalisa2 on Apr 29, 2004 9:31:40 GMT -5
arrrghhhhh MY HEAD HURTS!! Please...please...what am I missing here...  Tempfan Posted on: Apr 28th, 2004, 7:56pm Dcalz Posted on: Today at 03:09am So...Theo and Richard were BOTH in the group for a period of 2+ years, and nobody recorded this for history as there being really six Temptations during this time? Nahh, I don't think so. Dcalz...I tend to go with the departure being in late '92, and I think you might want to nail this down with Richard if you can . |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Apr 29, 2004 10:29:10 GMT -5
Ok, I'm gonna have to make a new board rule, whenever you're talking about Ali THE BOXER, you must preface it with "Muhammed" 'cause other wise I'm all confused. :laughing (kidding) Anyway, is there ANY aspect of Temptation-dome that isn't riddled with controversy? Now, obviously, Richard knows what he's talking about because he was there .......... or not there, as the case may be. But there's some confusion by someone somewhere along the line. Like I said before, both O's book and the EOS book say 1993. The book says that Richard left and Theo joined just before a tour in Japan that year. It would obviously be nice if we could figure out when that Japan tour was. Also, the EOS book says that the last songs on disc 5 (which include Theo) were recorded in "Winter '94." Now does "winter" mean January or Decemeber? Later in 94 would make sense because they started recording FLO in January of '95. Also, it would be nice to know exactly what Richard means by "with Melvin gone" (and dcalz, hope you don't think I'm singleing you out because I've heard a simmilar story before.) If he meant gone as in "deceased" then that puts us all the way to February of '95. If he means "gone" as in "too sick to every tour again" well, that's the summer of '94. Anyway, dcalz, be sure and let us know when you get the site completed. I'll be happy to list the tour dates like I do all the rest of the guys.  |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Apr 29, 2004 10:34:57 GMT -5
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Post by kalisa2 on Apr 29, 2004 10:38:37 GMT -5
Are you discounting Tempfan's seeing a show with Theo in December of '92, (which could spill over in Otis's mind to early '93) Ivory? I think his recollection counts a lot here . After all...he WAS there (and Richard wasn't, at least not onstage.) I'm betting that at least some of the info in the EOS book came from Otis's book, and probably this info in particular, so that only counts as one source to me . |
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Post by kalisa2 on Apr 29, 2004 10:45:37 GMT -5
Ok, I'm gonna have to make a new board rule, whenever you're talking about Ali THE BOXER, you must preface it with "Muhammed" 'cause other wise I'm all confused.  (kidding) LOL, well *I*'m not (kidding, that is) . I get SOOOO confused when that happens! Of course, we could call the other one Ollie, I suppose... |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Apr 29, 2004 10:49:40 GMT -5
WHOA NELLY! No, I'm not discounting ANYTHING that Tempfan or dcalz are saying. I'm just trying to offer some help here. Only problem with that is that all of the information I cited from O's book just now came from the last chapter. Which was published seven years AFTER the EOS book was written. |
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Post by kalisa2 on Apr 29, 2004 10:55:15 GMT -5
Only problem with that is that all of the information I cited from O's book just now came from the last chapter. Which was published seven years AFTER the EOS book was written. Well LOL on me then , so Otis got it from the EOS book (kidding...but maybe? ) I just asked about Tempfan, since you didn't mention the '92-'93 year time-frame but jumped ahead to '94 with the Walk of Fame star...that's late enough in '94 so we're still in the same ballpark with Richard/Dcalz. The very late '92 spilling to '93 isn't in that park. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Apr 29, 2004 11:01:49 GMT -5
No, strangely enough he called and asked me. ;D
No, I'm just trying to pin down dates when we KNOW Theo was in the group. I'm not saying Tempfan is wrong, but I'm not saying Richard is wrong either.
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but my EOS "bible" says it was '93 and O's book says it was 1993 (p. 228.) It might have been one of those late '93 early '94 kinda things. Anyone remember for sure? 