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Post by All5Voices on Sept 3, 2010 15:21:32 GMT -5
Ali Woodson could do David leads better than Dennis, Richard or Theo. He could do Dennis leads better than Richard or David. He could do Richard leads better than Theo or even Richard himself. He could do Paul leads better than Richard, Theo, David or Dennis.
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Post by smooth on Sept 3, 2010 22:18:30 GMT -5
Ali Woodson could do David leads better than Dennis, Richard or Theo. He could do Dennis leads better than Richard or David. He could do Richard leads better than Theo or even Richard himself. He could do Paul leads better than Richard, Theo, David or Dennis. You forgot to add, in my opinion. Ali was definitely one of the greatest Temptations,there is no doubt about that. As for doing Richard leads better than Richard,no. (In my humble opinion)Richard was a great singer, being that he replaced Paul, him being on lead wasnt allowed much. His leads on Firefly,Isnt The Night Fantastic, Heavenly and Hey Girl are exceptional,in my humble opinion. In fairness to David, David never sung Dennis' lead, so we cant judge. But listening to Ruffin sing I Wish It Would Rain leads me to believe that Ruffin would have no problem with those leads, being that he was the original gritty primary lead singer for the Tempts. He laid the bluebrint for how it is done. Dennis' leads on I'm Losing You and I Wish It Would Rain and I Could Never Love Another After Loving You are exceptional as well,in my humble opinion. Personally I think all of them covered David's songs well. They each have a unique voice,they each bring something different to the song. But whatever the case the Tempts always had dynamite singers. But I will say Ali will be surely missed, he came to NY with Dennis group a couple of years back back and I'll just say that they rocked the house. I think Ali's best song with The Tempts is Touch Me. That man had skills Temptations Forever |
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Post by DC on Sept 6, 2010 11:06:03 GMT -5
It would work. But I don't think Dennis should lead "Wish It Would Rain" or "I Could Never Love Another". On the Live At The Copa album Dennis cracked or just plain couldn't hit the notes that David hit on those songs.
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Post by All5Voices on Sept 15, 2010 12:18:41 GMT -5
To Smooth and to emphasize what I was saying: I do not have to preface my opinion with "in my opinion". It's already a given that it's my opinion since I'm saying it and I didn't make reference to anyone else's quote on the same topic. Using "in my opinion" too many times can weaken your statement. Also, I don't have to say "I think" because it's a given that I was thinking it if I wrote it. Now, back to Ali Woodson. U say the best song with Ali was 'Touch Me'? Seriously? Have u ever heard of 'Hoops of Fire', 'Soul To Soul', almost any of the songs on 'For Lovers Only', and I don't even have mention his first hit single with the Temptations. Richard should never have been given the duty of doing the lead on 'My Girl' in live performances. He didn't have that type of texture to his voice as Dennis and Ali did. He was a very good singer and good for middle or 2nd highest voice in the harmonies, as it sounds like he and Otis switched often between the two harmony parts. Another thing. I do agree with you that David was the blueprint and he is the voice to which all are compared. But he wasn't there from the beginning. Remember, he replaced someone. Paul was the original primary lead singer. I'm giving Ali all those accolades because he had the better vocal range and control. Terry has excellent vocal control. But he doesn't have the range. David and Ali had wider range than that of Dennis. Nothing is wrong with that. Maybe Dennis never had to use it, thus not hearing it that often.
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Post by smooth on Sept 18, 2010 14:53:35 GMT -5
To Smooth and to emphasize what I was saying: I do not have to preface my opinion with "in my opinion". It's already a given that it's my opinion since I'm saying it and I didn't make reference to anyone else's quote on the same topic. Using "in my opinion" too many times can weaken your statement. Also, I don't have to say "I think" because it's a given that I was thinking it if I wrote it. Now, back to Ali Woodson. U say the best song with Ali was 'Touch Me'? Seriously? Have u ever heard of 'Hoops of Fire', 'Soul To Soul', almost any of the songs on 'For Lovers Only', and I don't even have mention his first hit single with the Temptations. Richard should never have been given the duty of doing the lead on 'My Girl' in live performances. He didn't have that type of texture to his voice as Dennis and Ali did. He was a very good singer and good for middle or 2nd highest voice in the harmonies, as it sounds like he and Otis switched often between the two harmony parts. Another thing. I do agree with you that David was the blueprint and he is the voice to which all are compared. But he wasn't there from the beginning. Remember, he replaced someone. Paul was the original primary lead singer. I'm giving Ali all those accolades because he had the better vocal range and control. Terry has excellent vocal control. But he doesn't have the range. David and Ali had wider range than that of Dennis. Nothing is wrong with that. Maybe Dennis never had to use it, thus not hearing it that often. To all 5voices,I never said you had to do anything.I never said you had to use the word think.Do yourself a favor and save the attitude.I dont care if anyone else referenced someone else's quote or not, this is a forum,if you make a comment,it might get referenced,thats how it is,if you dont like it, then dont comment and take your sensitive self somewhere else. Now back to Ali,thats exactly what I said,to me, Touch Me is his best work. Yes I've heard those other songs.Notice I said to me, it is his best work.Everybody has their own opinion, in case you didnt notice. And then you're trying to question my liking of Touch Me as my favorite,you dont know what opinions mean,do you?lol And furthermore,lots of people online use the words,"in my opinion" , "I think", "to me" ,it is done all the time,there is nothing wrong with that.It doesnt make your statement weak. Typing those commonly used phrases doesnt make your statement weak. If that makes your statement weak,then that means your statement was already weak before you even put "in my opinion" or "I think". |
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Post by All5Voices on Sept 20, 2010 13:35:03 GMT -5
Smooth: Dude. I'm neither being sensative nor insensative about this topic. Remember, I'm the one who started it. When you stated that I forgot to add "in my opinion", I simply responded back to you stating that when a person writes his or her opinion, one doesn't have to preface it with "in my opinion". That is true in writing blogs, essays, forums, and especially editorials/opinion articles. I already noticed and assumed that was your opinion. Unless you say "so and so said", which didn't happen in this case. So, I didn't miss that you said "to me". Come on, dude. You're missing the point, and your telling me that I should leave my own topic? I didn't start the topic so we can argue over semantics. Yes, I do know what opinions mean. I just don't have to tell people that it's my opinion. I agree that nothing is wrong with using the words "in my opinion". I was stating that a person doesn't have to say it's his or her opinion when it's already assumed it is. It's not a requirement. That was my main point in response to your 1st response. We're supposed to be debating over whether Ali would be able to do what I said he would. I started the topic for that. We've gotten off the subject. This has happened before on something I've started a few years ago. I was feeding off that though. It was the "in my opinion" thing. I could sit here and prove to you how it does weaken even a strong statement. But this isn't the forum for that. That's for journalism students - nearly 20 years ago for me. I started smelling blood. But I'm gonna try to keep it on topic. That's it. I'm gonna listen to 'Touch Me' again and see what you mean. You listen to 'Hoops of Fire' or 'Lady Soul' again and we'll chat again. Deuce
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Post by AnnaK on Sept 20, 2010 19:00:09 GMT -5
I could not agree more!
I think Ali was the best thing that happened to Tempts after David and Dennis. And yes Hoops of Fire as well as the other songs you named show singing at its best.
I also found a song by him on the web where he sings some real good jazz tune. It's on an album Born2Groove I think. (Forgot ... will have to check.)
He is way up in the upper league - way up there!
I am not insisting on it being him, but I think it is him ...
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Post by All5Voices on Sept 20, 2010 21:35:44 GMT -5
I could not agree more! I think Ali was the best thing that happened to Tempts after David and Dennis. And yes Hoops of Fire as well as the other songs you named show singing at its best. I also found a song by him on the web where he sings some real good jazz tune. It's on an album Born2Groove I think. (Forgot ... will have to check.) He is way up in the upper league - way up there! I am not insisting on it being him, but I think it is him ... I love that. H3LL yeah, that's Ali Woodson. Nobody sings like that. I never imagined him singing anything by Donny Hathaway. But that works for me. One of my favorite singers doing a remake of a song by one of my favorite singers. It's called 'I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know', from one of Donny's best albums. Excellent cover by an outstanding soulful vocal stylist. Dennis' version of another Donny Hathaway classic, 'A Song For You' would have to give way to this version of another classic. |
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Post by AnnaK on Sept 21, 2010 12:16:51 GMT -5
Ali is incomparable. I didn't know how much material he had out there until I heard Maurice Watts' tribute show in the LoveZone. He did a four hour show in honor of Ali, and I was absolutely surprised about the variety of his material. I think Mo has the show (or parts thereof) posted on his site: www.mauricewatts.com/I don't know if you ever heard his version of Smokey's "Ooh Baby, Baby." That song, Ali made his own. |
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Post by smooth on Sept 21, 2010 16:02:33 GMT -5
Smooth: Dude. I'm neither being sensative nor insensative about this topic. Remember, I'm the one who started it. When you stated that I forgot to add "in my opinion", I simply responded back to you stating that when a person writes his or her opinion, one doesn't have to preface it with "in my opinion". That is true in writing blogs, essays, forums, and especially editorials/opinion articles. I already noticed and assumed that was your opinion. Unless you say "so and so said", which didn't happen in this case. So, I didn't miss that you said "to me". Come on, dude. You're missing the point, and your telling me that I should leave my own topic? I didn't start the topic so we can argue over semantics. Yes, I do know what opinions mean. I just don't have to tell people that it's my opinion. I agree that nothing is wrong with using the words "in my opinion". I was stating that a person doesn't have to say it's his or her opinion when it's already assumed it is. It's not a requirement. That was my main point in response to your 1st response. We're supposed to be debating over whether Ali would be able to do what I said he would. I started the topic for that. We've gotten off the subject. This has happened before on something I've started a few years ago. I was feeding off that though. It was the "in my opinion" thing. I could sit here and prove to you how it does weaken even a strong statement. But this isn't the forum for that. That's for journalism students - nearly 20 years ago for me. I started smelling blood. But I'm gonna try to keep it on topic. That's it. I'm gonna listen to 'Touch Me' again and see what you mean. You listen to 'Hoops of Fire' or 'Lady Soul' again and we'll chat again. Deuce No doubt,I've heard Hoops of Fire and Lady Soul many times over. I still say Ali's best vocal with the Tempts was Touch Me.Yeah lets keep it on topic |
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Post by smooth on Sept 21, 2010 16:28:46 GMT -5
I listened to Lady Soul,Hoops of Fire,Touch Me. I still say Touch Me was his best vocal, he went to church on that song,especially at the end,where he held that note for damn near 20 seconds.He went to church on that one. I still love Lady Soul and Hoops of Fire,We Should Be Makin Love,Special,Soul To Soul...I think you get where I'm going with this. I love their material in the 80's,incredible
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Post by DrTemptation "Doc T" on Oct 16, 2010 12:21:59 GMT -5
Ali Woodson could do David leads better than Dennis, Richard or Theo. He could do Dennis leads better than Richard or David. He could do Richard leads better than Theo or even Richard himself. He could do Paul leads better than Richard, Theo, David or Dennis. Hey, All5voices.....i appreciate your comments but I disagree with Ali being better than David, Dennis, Richard or Theo. The real answer to the question is time.....TIME In the 60's when the original 5 got started David, Eddie, Paul, Melvin and Otis set the bar so high few groups could real them. During that time era David was the VOICE of the Temptations. Eddie coming in at a close second. Paul was a great singer, if Al Bryant would have remmained in the group, Paul would have probably sang the David leads....in the early days Paul led a lot of songs. Dennis came in a the right "TIME" the direction the group was going in "psychedelic era" Dennis' voice fit the bill. Dennis carried the Temptations until "TIME" caught up with him. After the album "A Song for You" Dennis began to go down hill. TIME.....again brought Ali and He carried the Temptations. Otis was fortunate to get a great voice when the TIME came for personnel changes. Ali in my opinion was a blend between David and Dennis......when I listen to Ali I hear both David and Dennis. He was able to cross between to era's.....Oh by the way if Theo would stayed in the group the Temptations today would sound much like the Temptations. Theo can sing! TIME.....now is the reason the group is just OK.....just 1 really good voice right now and that's Terry The Hall of Fame awarded David, Dennis, Paul, Eddie, Melvin and Otis. I really think they got right. Not that Ali Woodson was a great singer for the Temptations. David, Dennis, Paul and Eddie... built a wall so high when you hear the temptations on radio and TV........THOSE ARE THE VOICES YOU HEAR Doc T |
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Post by smooth on Oct 18, 2010 11:34:06 GMT -5
I would also add that Eddie carried them as well,being that he sang lead on numerous hits.Their harmonies were important as well,and even the replacements like Richard Street,Damon Harris,Glenn Leonard,Ron Tyson contributed as well,not just on lead but in the background,The tempts have always given us great love songs,no matter which line-up. The Tempts vocal blend is top notch,Ali really gave the Tempts that boost in the 80's,he was like that shot in the arm,that the Tempts needed.
May all of them rest in peace,the ones that have left us
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Post by AnnaK on Oct 18, 2010 15:00:54 GMT -5
There was one other thing Ali had going for himself: his attractiveness. Ali had the looks and moves to accompany his sexy voice. He was a walking picture of masculinity, just as David had been before him.
Ali must have been created with his future as a tempting Temptation in mind. *smiles
Another one of Ali's songs I can't listen to too often is "Ain't That Peculiar." Amazing what he made of this song. That's Ali!
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Post by All5Voices on Oct 21, 2010 12:47:54 GMT -5
To 'Doc T'. First, remember that David Ruffin wasn't an original. He is a part of the Classic 5 and the HOF 6. But he was technically the first major replacement. Another thing is about Ali being able to recreate all the leads of the other former lead singers. Yes, he would have been able to take on that task and succeed. Richard would probably even agree that Ali was so great that he could do better interpretations of His own leads. Ali had the most versatile voice and wider vocal range than those you named, with all loyalty to favorite singers aside. P.S. It's not a heated debate.
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