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Post by kalisa2 on Nov 21, 2003 15:42:49 GMT -5
I would agree that his voice isn't knock out, but I do believe that had he taken more solos, he could have sung much better and maybe sung alot of very sweet and endearing songs in the still of Perry Como or Tony Bennett. Maybe that's why I'm not crazy about Otis's solo singing. He does sound very much of the 'crooner' ilk to me, mellow and bland...which just isn't my cuppa. |
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Post by All5Voices on Nov 22, 2003 22:01:30 GMT -5
Yeah, Otis wasn't the electric singer like we've heard from David, Dennis, Ali, Theo, and Bo. He was a soft ballad lead singer. 'Don't Send Me Away' and I Ain't Got Nothing' were soft ballads. They didn't require much vocal mobility from it's lead singer. He wouldn't have been able to switch leads with Ali on the mixed medly 'For Your Love/You Send Me' on the For Lovers Only Album.
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Post by Robbie53Tele on Mar 4, 2004 2:58:56 GMT -5
In the movie, as they're cutting "Papa" they show Paul sort of lose it and take off and go to Hitsville only to hear them recording without him. then with all this stuff in his head he has a gun in his car and then he's dead  it's hard to watch this part especially when he says angrily/sadly"Temptations FOREVER!"actually but i was wondering how it really happened,the full story if anyone knows for sure. unless this was real, but i'm not sure because of other inconsistencies in the film. thanks in advance  |
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Post by Aba21 on Mar 4, 2004 13:02:20 GMT -5
Melvin was not car jacked in front of a pharmacy chasing a skirt!!!!!
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Post by curet30 on Mar 4, 2004 13:38:51 GMT -5
In the movie, as they're cutting "Papa" they show Paul sort of lose it and take off and go to Hitsville only to hear them recording without him. then with all this stuff in his head he has a gun in his car and then he's dead it's hard to watch this part especially when he says angrily/sadly"Temptations FOREVER!"actually but i was wondering how it really happened,the full story if anyone knows for sure. unless this was real, but i'm not sure because of other inconsistencies in the film. thanks in advance FACT: 'Papa Was A Rolling Stone' was released in 1972 - Paul passed away in Aug. 1973 I never knew why Suzanne De Passe allowed that, among others, to "slip" by like that. |
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Post by janebse on Mar 4, 2004 19:29:00 GMT -5
Curet,
I am sure you know this already, but... I am reading a book now by one of our best selling authors and on his last page he states that I has taken advantage of some of the laws of ....(state). Some of the laws he mentions as being laws had already been changed. Some were changed shortly after. However, in all of his books he has taken liberties with the actual laws to move the plot along, get across a certain point, etc.
It's known as "artistic license" and is practiced in all of the arts. Singers taken liberties with the notes.
Time limits of a movie, space limits of a book, and other things are all factors which make it necessary to move that plot along. But the essential truth is there.
I'd hate to think what Shakespeare would say about people who complained about the liberties he took with his stories. Interestingly, Shakespeare coined more words and phrases that became a part of the English lexicon than anyone else. What's more he broke more grammar laws, rules that existed in his day, but no one has ever been able to put that "incorrect" sentence in correct grammatical form and have it as beautiful as what Shakespeare said. Try it. It can't be done.
There is absolutely no movie which cannot be nitpicked to death. I guess it is a matter of deciding what your purpose is.
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Post by ZeldaFScott on Mar 4, 2004 20:51:41 GMT -5
Why, in the world, did the makers of that "masterpiece" call it "The Temptations?" Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to name the series "Three Sinners, One Beatified and A Saint," for example. Why not declare it clearly as a fictionalized account of the group's history? The "Five Heartbeats" is a good example for a more honest approach to the subject matter, in my opinion. Suzanne de Passe, a Motown agent, did nothing else but spread lies, smeared reputations, and executed the wishes of BG, in the humblest of my opinions. And that has nothing to do with art. Period! As the entire movie shows, there is little artistic craft involved in its making. Rathermore, it teems with sloppiness. Jane, I would very much like to know what made you mention a perfectionist like Shakespeare in connection with such an imperfect piece as "The Temptations?" I would prefer Thomas Hardy as an example. His plots were flawed, his characters often sterotypical, his messages downright crude. (I love his stories nevertheless  ) To say that Shakespeare's grammar was incorrect and use this observation as an example of a great writer showing weaknesses escapes my understanding. W.S. knew what he was doing with each and every syllable in his plays and poetry; and he certainly created perfect works of art through his various techniques. I would not call "The Temptations" series a work of art. Never! So, please, please, please do not sully the name of one of the greatest playwrights by using it to justify a perfect piece of junk! (Which I also happen to like  , though.) AK  |
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Post by Robbie53Tele on Mar 4, 2004 23:54:31 GMT -5
Yeah, i think the most important thing to keep in mind here is that some people use their imagination and create things in movies that woulda/coulda/shoulda happen in real life. so that was the case here. Like David Ruffin joining the group for a one-off on New Years after Al getting booted then instantaneously replacing him. Cool ;D but it didn't happen like that unfortunately Didn't the temps have their eyes on Ruffin but balked cuz they weren't sure if he's just be using them as a stepping stone? speaking of Ruff: ON his wife's tribute site, there's a great 40-min interview with him and Eddie Kendricks from 91 that gives some insight into the history of the Temps and Dave talks about his early years. It also includes the original versions of the classics during the segments If you haven't checked it out yet DO IT NOW!!!!! cuz it's awesome and you really hear them go into depth about their history  |
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Post by Badding00 on Mar 5, 2004 8:07:36 GMT -5
I really don't understand all this complaining about miniseries. When I first saw it (and got to know the tempts) I didn't think that David and Paul were such a horrible persons because they had these problems. This vulnerability made them only look better in my eyes because one thing i don't like is a perfect man. And I think that if for example David lived today, he wouldn't mind at all of thousands of his new fans.
Is it really such a bad thing that otis doesn't seem to have much personal problems in the movie? I couldn't care less about that. Everybody can see that in the movie he doesn't sing any leads and that he isn't the best singer. Isn't that the most important problem for a temptation? I think it's also funny that when you find good things about otis you think "oh that can't be true" and when you find bad things then it must be true.
I myself wanna thank otis for the movie. beacuse of that, i got to know this wonderful group.
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Post by Ivory Fair on Mar 5, 2004 10:20:58 GMT -5
Because it wasn't one. It was a dramatized version of actual events. And the movie said as much. Find me ONE movie made about a celebrity's life that is 100% accurate and non-dramatized. Thank you! Glad someone FINALLY agrees with me! Yep, and as Aba says all the time, if it weren't for Otis making that movie .......... none of us would be here talking about it now. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Mar 5, 2004 12:23:29 GMT -5
Because it wasn't one. It was a dramatized version of actual events. And the movie said as much. Find me ONE movie made about a celebrity's life that is 100% accurate and non-dramatized. Can you explain how it wasn't fitcional? Can you tell us what year David was sold to the pimp? Not an actual event. You are saying that Otis really didn't want Dennis,David & Eddie at the Hall Of Fame Induction as the movie portrayed? Not an actual event! Paul was STILL in the group AFTER Eddie left. The movie makes you think Eddie walked off after Paul was gone. Not an actual event. The movie did not address why such weak material and poor planning for the Reunion. An actual event! More NON facts than Facts. FICTION AT BEST. I agree with Anna Konda. Someone please answer my questions. ;D |
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Post by MikeNYC on Mar 5, 2004 12:27:36 GMT -5
Thank you! Glad someone FINALLY agrees with me! That's the sad part! In time if they stick around,they will realize what a farce the mini series really was.   |
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Post by MikeNYC on Mar 5, 2004 12:37:54 GMT -5
Yep, and as Aba says all the time, if it weren't for Otis making that movie .......... none of us would be here talking about it now. A Maylox moment! In a way,I agree,we would be talking about REAL stuff,and not fictional stuff . If it weren't for Otis making that movie...there would be more RESPECT shown to Paul,David & Eddie's memory.You would be surprised how many people think that movie was true! I feel sorry for them. They have NO CLUE as to how UNTRUE and MISLEADING that film was/is ! One day they will catch on! Should have treated it like a made -for -TV-movie about Ronald Regan....they should have pulled the plug!  |
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Post by Aba21 on Mar 5, 2004 13:23:30 GMT -5
The fact is.....we spend all this time trashing the movie and if there are facts to be presented.......start a thread and tell them. Was anybody there who can dispute some of the events in the movie. I know for a fact much of it was BS, but I can't prove it. Everything we know on here came from somebody else. How can we decide which person's version is right or wrong. And why speak negatvily about people you don't know. I never saw any money passed under the table. Does that mean it didn't happen. Otis voice has nothing to do with whether to movie is fact or fiction. If we knew what really happened to PAul we wouldn't be trying to get Cold Case Files or court TV to look into it. As much as I love my family, they can't tell you jack about my travels as a professional athlete....They can surmise what happened and they were at some of the games but were they in the lockeroom...........no...that is a place of sanctity.
What you see here, what you say here, what you hear here let it stay here. I wouldn't take Eddie's, David's, Paul, Dennis or any of the others word over any one of them. I know they all have a story to tell and unfortunatley we won't be hearing them. It really is too bad that the one who chose to tell the story was not one of the favorites in the group.
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Post by MikeNYC on Mar 5, 2004 14:18:26 GMT -5
The fact is.....we spend all this time trashing the movie and if there are facts to be presented.......start a thread and tell them. Was anybody there who can dispute some of the events in the movie. I know for a fact much of it was BS, but I can't prove it. Everything we know on here came from somebody else. How can we decide which person's version is right or wrong. And why speak negatvily about people you don't know. I never saw any money passed under the table. Does that mean it didn't happen. Otis voice has nothing to do with whether to movie is fact or fiction. If we knew what really happened to PAul we wouldn't be trying to get Cold Case Files or court TV to look into it. As much as I love my family, they can't tell you jack about my travels as a professional athlete....They can surmise what happened and they were at some of the games but were they in the lockeroom...........no...that is a place of sanctity. What you see here, what you say here, what you hear here let it stay here. I wouldn't take Eddie's, David's, Paul, Dennis or any of the others word over any one of them. I know they all have a story to tell and unfortunatley we won't be hearing them. It really is too bad that the one who chose to tell the story was not one of the favorites in the group. The movie trashes itself. If you see "facts" presented by other members and have the same things to say....then ...that's something to believe. It ain't got nothing to do with this "favorite"crap. I just can't go along with that. You say that most of it was BS,but you can't prove it. I say you can...if you wanted to. You can say what was BS and what was not..and how you know it to be such...truth,or untruth. There is an avenue that you choose to go down to get you to the point of your observations,just like I did,a level that you stand on to determine what is true or not. If you didn't know when David,Eddie & Dennis performed together,you wouldn't know if the film put it in the right time frame or not. You don't have to be a patron at Chappy's Lounge to know if what the movie showed is correct or not. You say your family can't tell us jack about your life on the road.....but your teammates can. I'll bet your family,or anyone that discusses your carreer should at least know that you didn't play for the Toronto Raptures. Who on this board ever saw Paul drunk? Either onstage,or off? Ever have a coke & a smile with David? Did he ever tell you that he wanted the group to be called David Ruffin & The Temptations? He talked about the limo with his glasses painted on the door. How many ever knew that the rest of the group could have rode with him if they wanted to? That don't sound like ego trippin to me. Before Street Gold came out,did you know anything about this? I didn't..did you? How many on this board ever gave Eddie a cigarette? How many ever borrowed a cigarette from Eddie? I'll bet very few ever actually EVER saw him holding a cigarette in his hand! But they SWEAR that all of this is "THE TRUTH...THE WHOLE TRUTH...AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH" And we KNOW better! I didn't even get into the real heavy stuff. Nobody points out that Paul was a businessman and tried to help youngsters get an education? I got that from somewhere else...SOUL newspapers...with pictures of Paul handind out the checks...should I say this didn't happen because he didn't give me one? Becauce Otis,nor Hollywood never mentioned it? Because he didn't give you one? I didn't know much about Tim Bassett and the University Of Georgia. I knew that he went there,but I didn't know what role he played in bringing people of color to the school...Bill Walton never mentioned it,does that mean it was not so?Some say Bill Walton was the greatest clooedge player to ever wear a pair of sneakers.  I don't see how you can say that Otis' voice has nothing to do as to weather the movie is fact,or fiction....where did they get the concept from,Dennis& Woodson? They didn't even bother to do reasearch. But,you know this. More important..I know that you know this.Even more important than that ...You know that I know that you know this. Heck,I was not there when Otis asked David for a ride in the limo and david gave him a ride. But, how else would Otis be able to portray what went on in David's limo,if he didn't see firsthand? Last,I wouldn't take Eddie,David,Dennis,or Paul's word over Otis'...I would,however tale Eddie,David,Dennis & Paul's word over Otis' if David,Eddie,Dennis & Paul said things along the same lines as each other. Wouldn't YOU ? :yourock: |
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