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Post by ZeldaFScott on Jul 30, 2004 13:29:43 GMT -5
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Post by Jammo on Aug 7, 2004 7:30:51 GMT -5
Here's a question for you all: How did u get to know that Paul was the Soul of Tempations, The True Temptation, the one who created the legendary dancing style for Temptations etc.. ?
My answer: From Otis' book. And still I don't cry that Otis shouldn't have written those things. Like I don't cry that he shouldn't have written about Pauls problems.
If Otis wouldn't be allowed to tell negative things about Paul, why should he be allowed to tell positive things?
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Post by keres on Aug 7, 2004 18:02:02 GMT -5
If Otis wouldn't be allowed to tell negative things about Paul, why should he be allowed to tell positive things? That`s a good point Jammo! Otis showed us the Tempts how they really were, with all the ups-and downs...He showed us how it all happend. If he would only say good things about everyone, then it would be just plain wrong...even impossible, he would have to lie then! How would he explain David`s departure from the group, if he`d leave out all the drug problems that Ruffin had?? I think Otis didn`t do anything wrong. *** I`m sure you will all agree, (and this has already said here before by some other members too) that we shouldn`t care about how our favourite singers were in personal life. It`s not our business, though, yes we can discuss it here on the Board and between other friends if we want, but it`s not really that important. It`s the music we love! I`ve realised one thing lately... if I don`t have much respect towards David Ruffin for his drugs, then why do I love Freddie Mercury so much?? We all know what he was like, (at least those do, who know him and his music), and so what? do I/we love him any less now because of that? No of course!  |
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Post by JoAnne on Aug 8, 2004 7:15:36 GMT -5
Here's a question for you all: How did u get to know that Paul was the Soul of Tempations, The True Temptation, the one who created the legendary dancing style for Temptations etc.. ? My answer: From Otis' book. And still I don't cry that Otis shouldn't have written those things. Like I don't cry that he shouldn't have written about Pauls problems. If Otis wouldn't be allowed to tell negative things about Paul, why should he be allowed to tell positive things? I knew Paul was the soul of the Temptations long before the book came out! If Otis was going to tell negative things about Paul, why didn't he also tell negative things about himself?  |
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Post by Coey on Aug 8, 2004 9:28:02 GMT -5
I think he mentioned a few things. LIke being suspended from school.. also he spoke of splitting his pants.. there are a few other references to other things, I do believe he didnt tell us everything. And thats his right.
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Post by Jammo on Aug 8, 2004 11:39:47 GMT -5
I knew Paul was the soul of the Temptations long before the book came out! You didn't answer the question.. If Otis was going to tell negative things about Paul, why didn't he also tell negative things about himself? Because he did. Those things just aren't as big as Paul's problem. If you ignore what Otis has written about Paul's alcohol problem in the book, there isn't much more "bad" left about Paul anymore. |
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Post by Aba21 on Aug 8, 2004 21:07:59 GMT -5
Otis did tell on himself. He told of his womanizing while he was married and his use of cocaine......once, while he was onstage even. I'm sure he could have told more but he told on himself. I think drug use is much more frowned upon than alcohol.........even to this day, don't you think? And unless there's something someone knows that they can put up here.............maybe there just wasn't that much to tell............. ;D
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Post by JoAnne on Aug 9, 2004 2:51:01 GMT -5
I think he mentioned a few things. LIke being suspended from school.. also he spoke of splitting his pants.. there are a few other references to other things, I do believe he didnt tell us everything. And thats his right. That is true. He mentioned a few things about himself, and let it go. He talked about Paul's problem, over and over again. It's Pauls right to tell his own problems! |
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Post by JoAnne on Aug 9, 2004 2:59:05 GMT -5
You didn't answer the question.. Because he did. Those things just aren't as big as Paul's problem. If you ignore what Otis has written about Paul's alcohol problem in the book, there isn't much more "bad" left about Paul anymore. I was living in Detroit in the 60's. I was aware of some things that was going on with The Temps., throuth Motown, news reports, TV and radio. Do that answer your question about how I knew Paul was the soul of the Temps. before the book came out? Why is the BAD part so important? |
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Post by JoAnne on Aug 9, 2004 3:42:51 GMT -5
Otis did tell on himself. He told of his womanizing while he was married and his use of cocaine......once, while he was onstage even. I'm sure he could have told more but he told on himself. I think drug use is much more frowned upon than alcohol.........even to this day, don't you think? And unless there's something someone knows that they can put up here.............maybe there just wasn't that much to tell............. ;D IMO Otis, minimized his problems. He didn't show himself using drugs in the movie. Where as he dwelled on Pauls drinking. In the movie he showed Paul drunk at least three times! I can't count the times he mentioned it in the book. It is a fact that drugs is considered worst than alcohol, and I agree that Paul had a problem. Okay, but at what point is it let go? |
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Post by mcribs on Aug 9, 2004 7:07:28 GMT -5
IMO Otis, minimized his problems. He didn't show himself using drugs in the movie. Where as he dwelled on Pauls drinking. In the movie he showed Paul drunk at least three times! I can't count the times he mentioned it in the book. Otis did not make the movie--he had nothing to do with what made it into the movie, the producers just used his book as a basis for the movie. Obviously, Otis's drug use was not a big problem or he would not still be around. I don't think his coverage of Paul's drinking could possible be construed as "dwelling" on it. It was mentioned and covered, since many people knew it to be a contributing factor in his death. |
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Post by kalisa2 on Aug 9, 2004 11:38:56 GMT -5
Otis did not make the movie--he had nothing to do with what made it into the movie, the producers just used his book as a basis for the movie. Obviously, Otis's drug use was not a big problem or he would not still be around. I don't think his coverage of Paul's drinking could possible be construed as "dwelling" on it. It was mentioned and covered, since many people knew it to be a contributing factor in his death. Not only a contributing factor to his death, but a contributing factor to the history of the Temptations and what caused the 'revolving door' to continue spinning (and gain momentum) after David left. To me, a simple one (or two)-liner of "Paul got sick and had to discontinue touring and discontinue recording with the Tempts. Then he died, by suicide or foul play."...as some folks would have it been written... would have been completely unsatisfying reading and tells basically nothing of the varying factors contributing to the break-up of the Classic V. |
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Post by Aba21 on Aug 9, 2004 13:07:29 GMT -5
IMO Otis, minimized his problems. He didn't show himself using drugs in the movie. Where as he dwelled on Pauls drinking. In the movie he showed Paul drunk at least three times! I can't count the times he mentioned it in the book. It is a fact that drugs is considered worst than alcohol, and I agree that Paul had a problem. Okay, but at what point is it let go? I have put some of Otis quotes on the Story in the He Said- She Said Thread......I don't quite agree with the not telling the story. I think it played a major role in the story of the Temptations and Otis had an obligation to tell something. I know it isn't pretty but these things never are. I don't think he did it to defame Paul in any way either. People read into things what they want. I may not think so but you do. One thing is we agree that Paul was the heart and soul of the group and his story is relevant to the history of the Temptations. Whether Otis should tell it or not is where we differ. I ask, why can't he tell it? He in the group. He was a leader of the group. I would rather know than not. |
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Post by Jammo on Aug 9, 2004 13:42:10 GMT -5
I was living in Detroit in the 60's. I was aware of some things that was going on with The Temps., throuth Motown, news reports, TV and radio. Do that answer your question about how I knew Paul was the soul of the Temps. before the book came out? Yes it does. Why is the BAD part so important? Well, many people, like me, wanna know the truth. Sometimes it just hurts. |
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Post by JoAnne on Aug 12, 2004 14:47:38 GMT -5
I have put some of Otis quotes on the Story in the He Said- She Said Thread......I don't quite agree with the not telling the story. I think it played a major role in the story of the Temptations and Otis had an obligation to tell something. I know it isn't pretty but these things never are. I don't think he did it to defame Paul in any way either. People read into things what they want. I may not think so but you do. One thing is we agree that Paul was the heart and soul of the group and his story is relevant to the history of the Temptations. Whether Otis should tell it or not is where we differ. I ask, why can't he tell it? He in the group. He was a leader of the group. I would rather know than not. I agree the story should be told. But say it and let it go! When Paul died he was not performing with the Temps. So what was the point with how much he dranked when he died? That had nothing to do with Otis nor the Temps. |
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