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Post by Debbie on Jun 27, 2004 14:40:35 GMT -5
I forgot,I'll call them what they are to me...IMITATIONS. I don't recall asking permission to say what I want. They got it the old fashioned way...They EARNED IT !  Got more quotes? While your at it,you might notice that I have quoted Otis' book several times in my posts. Personally ,I would like to read your Temptations resume',since you asked for mine. Care to share?  |
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Post by Debbie on Jun 27, 2004 15:16:24 GMT -5
Mike - I have not been reading this chat board long enough to agree with you that you have quoted Otis's book as much as you have claimed. Not saying you are not speaking the truth - I just have not seen them.
Your posts ALWAYS claim your great AUTHORITY in knowing more facts about the Tempts - especially David more than anybody else on this board. Your claim is that you attended MORE THAN NUMEROUS Tempts shows - most with David appearing. That means you attended numerous Classic 5 shows. I am sure the majority of people who post on this board - are not old enough to who have been able to attend these shows - especially in the mast majority that you claim.
That is why I asked you how old you are! If you noticed - I posted up how old I am.
Also - along with all the shows you claimed to have attended with David (and also talking about reherals) prompted me to ask your age =- along with how did you come up the money required to accomplidhed the things you have claimed to have accomplished.
I would be happy to post up my Temptation Resume - just let me know what information you would like.
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 28, 2004 0:05:12 GMT -5
First of all Mike - your quotes come fom pages 136-137. I do not think Otis was the snitch. Just like I don't believe that the idea behind letting David leave the group was due to pure JEALOUSY - as you have stated, MANY times before. Otis made the decision along with the Classic 5 (and maybe Berry too). Since David had a great talent - he was more than capable of bringing more money to the Group and Berry too. It makes no sense to me to let a great talent go - due to JEALOUSY - PLEASE! David was let go - due to David missing shows and rehersals. So,you saw the pink slip? You are entitled to believe anything you wish. I say did David ever miss a show that YOU attended,if any? I guess you were at the rehearsals,too? Don't you remember seeing me there? ;D There has been many pictures taken of the group performing...there has been videos of Paul missing,Eddie missing,Melvin missing. Now,if David was missing shows,like you & Otis CLAIM...why no pictures and/or videos...like Sullivan,or Leslie Ugams? Did that ever strike you as....ODD? How did Mr. Ruffin escape that microscope? Paul didn't,Melvin didn't...Eddie didn't. But you say with such a "sure spirit" that Ruffin was let go for missing shows,PLEASE! I never said that the man never missed shows,or rehearsals. The rehearsals we have no way of knowing...but the shows...as much as the group was photographed...why none of the c-4 minus an absent David Ruffin? I think that would be a collector's item,don't you? Edafan don't even have a photo. Please explain? |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Jun 28, 2004 0:14:56 GMT -5
I have tons of footage of David missing from concerts. As a matter of fact, I have about 35 YEARS worth. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 28, 2004 0:20:43 GMT -5
Mike - I have not been reading this chat board long enough to agree with you that you have quoted Otis's book as much as you have claimed. Not saying you are not speaking the truth - I just have not seen them. Your posts ALWAYS claim your great AUTHORITY in knowing more facts about the Tempts - especially David more than anybody else on this board. Your claim is that you attended MORE THAN NUMEROUS Tempts shows - most with David appearing. That means you attended numerous Classic 5 shows. I am sure the majority of people who post on this board - are not old enough to who have been able to attend these shows - especially in the mast majority that you claim. That is why I asked you how old you are! If you noticed - I posted up how old I am. Also - along with all the shows you claimed to have attended with David (and also talking about reherals) prompted me to ask your age =- along with how did you come up the money required to accomplidhed the things you have claimed to have accomplished. I would be happy to post up my Temptation Resume - just let me know what information you would like. With all due respect..I doubt that you read any of my posts because if you did,you would see that I never CLAIMED anything. That's YOUR take on my post. I alwasy say,don't take my word for it...check it out for yourself. I might have got the page wrong,but the point I made was RIGHT ON! Why didn't the group stick together? Instead of trying to pick my statements apart,you should look a little further into my post before writing something that's not true. You would realize that I never CLAIM anything ,please pull up a post where I claim any of the sort? Why do you want to know how old I was? I was old enough to know that I could go see the Tempts,get a front row seat for the grand total of $4.00. Too bad you don't remember that. So,what's with the doubt that I could afford that? It was not an arm and a leg. Plus,I had connections...alot of times..I didn't pay. I would also like for you to pull up a post of mine where I stated that I followed them all around the country? Then,we can talk. Until then,you are a little confuse ![]() temptsinfo.com/smilies/wtg.gif![]() :laughing |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 28, 2004 0:32:57 GMT -5
I have tons of footage of David missing from concerts. As a matter of fact, I have about 35 YEARS worth. In the immortal words of Barry White..."Sho,you're right"!  You'd been tripping over yourself to post them,if it existed,which it does not! |
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Post by Debbie on Jun 28, 2004 11:03:43 GMT -5
With all due respect..I doubt that you read any of my posts because if you did,you would see that I never CLAIMED anything. That's YOUR take on my post. I alwasy say,don't take my word for it...check it out for yourself. I might have got the page wrong,but the point I made was RIGHT ON! Why didn't the group stick together? Instead of trying to pick my statements apart,you should look a little further into my post before writing something that's not true. You would realize that I never CLAIM anything ,please pull up a post where I claim any of the sort? Why do you want to know how old I was? I was old enough to know that I could go see the Tempts,get a front row seat for the grand total of $4.00. Too bad you don't remember that. So,what's with the doubt that I could afford that? It was not an arm and a leg. Plus,I had connections...alot of times..I didn't pay. I would also like for you to pull up a post of mine where I stated that I followed them all around the country? Then,we can talk. Until then,you are a little confuse  First of all Mike - I have read numerous posts that you have made - that is why we continue to argue. I could pull up plenty of your posts where you claim quite a bit. So now let's try a different approach to the whole situation - to where we try to leave the arguements behind. You seem to favor David & Dennis quite a bit - and that is your opinion. Whether I agree with your opinions - is neither here or there. Let's try to leave the arguements behind - and let us try to have a good discussion about the situation without a arguement (trying a different aprroach to our discussions). I am trying very hard to appreciate your opinion in regards to David - Dennis and the Group as a whole. Please explain your opinion about David and Dennis - whom you seem to have great respect for - along with your feelings about the Group as a whole -namely the Classic 5 - and why you have the opinions that you do - and I will try my hardest to understand your opinions. I also ask that you try to understand my opinions - without knocking me down over every post that I have made in regards to this subject. I am hoping that taking this approach - will allow a good conversation to take place between the two of us AND ALLOW US TO TAKE THE BOXING GLOVES OFF |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Jun 28, 2004 11:09:58 GMT -5
LOL! Poor Debbie. It's a noble cause your undertaking, but I'm afraid it's a losing one. Not gonna happen. :comfort:
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Post by ZeldaFScott on Jun 28, 2004 11:36:09 GMT -5
"Otis made the decision along with the Classic 5 (and maybe Berry too). " Debbie, I think it was more like the other way around. Berry was the boss. I think that is the one undisputable fact we all agree upon  As Aba said, nothing happened with Berry's Amen ... whenever an artist had enough of his dirty games and confronted him, they were in for big trouble.  |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 28, 2004 12:23:31 GMT -5
First of all Mike - I have read numerous posts that you have made - that is why we continue to argue. I could pull up plenty of your posts where you claim quite a bit. So now let's try a different approach to the whole situation - to where we try to leave the arguements behind. You seem to favor David & Dennis quite a bit - and that is your opinion. Whether I agree with your opinions - is neither here or there. Let's try to leave the arguements behind - and let us try to have a good discussion about the situation without a arguement (trying a different aprroach to our discussions). I am trying very hard to appreciate your opinion in regards to David - Dennis and the Group as a whole. Please explain your opinion about David and Dennis - whom you seem to have great respect for - along with your feelings about the Group as a whole -namely the Classic 5 - and why you have the opinions that you do - and I will try my hardest to understand your opinions. I also ask that you try to understand my opinions - without knocking me down over every post that I have made in regards to this subject. I am hoping that taking this approach - will allow a good conversation to take place between the two of us AND ALLOW US TO TAKE THE BOXING GLOVES OFF Debbie,first of all you want to come out in the manner that you did and you want me to try to understand your opinions without knocking you down? You need to try another approach. I never tried to knock you down,you kept tripping over your own shoestrings. I only tried to tell you to tie them before you start running off. I don't see where you doubting that I saw/was able to see,or even question how I was able to pay for the shows that I saw. has anything to do wit what I said. If you were around in those times you should remember how much shows cost,back then. Nobody said that I traveled cross-country...do you recall seeing any post where I said that I did? No. As far as you trying your hardest to understand ,it's not that hard,all you have to do is pull up a post of mine that you claim to get this misinformation from and I will explain. Start with the one that said that I followed the group around the world. I never CLAIM anything...you still don't get THAT meaning....how will you understand anything else? I wish you would pull up any post of mine that you wish. OK. You say you could pull them up...I'm not stopping you...DO IT ! Please? ;D Now,as for my feelings for David & Dennis....is simple...they're like Muhammad Ali....The Greatest Of All Times..........Every time I went to see the group David was there,Denniatere I saw them twice,or fifty times every show I attended they were there. Is that saying that they never missed a show? No,it's not...but for you to declare that Otis never missed a show,or I CLAIM he missed a show,you've been around almost as long as I have,ever seen a show that either of the two guys were supposed to be there and they were absent? No more,no less. Those two voices are the main reason that we have anything to talk about.They are two Hall Of Famers,and the only reason that I always bring it up is to show you that those six guys are the IMMORTAL TEMPTATIONS,they get the most airplay,the full page ads when they release a new CD(LOVE SONGS) than any form of "Temptations" out there today. They cannot be replaced. My thing is that their stories were blown up to the point that the untrue things become true. Like Paul's life has been talked about...they show more negative things than positive...even have mini-series boomers thinking that the man was a background singer.If you've been to Freedomland and Palasades,you know that 's not true,right? Even if it cost you a "Arm & A Leg" It was well wort it,huh? There is a reason that six members were inducted into the hall....they deserved it the most..and I just laugh at the many ways this FACTis danced around,or played down.Tickles the hell out of me. The HOF6 was the greatest group in the wordl,none of the "Temptations"groups will ever recapture what the HOF Tempts did. The CLOSEST to doing it is,Dennis' Review! Why I feel that the HOF Tempts can't be beat? Iv'e seen them sing a whole lot of songs,theirs and others..I've seen them on shows with their peers and blow them away. I've read aritcles and seen interviews. All,I can assure you,within my budget. Please feel free to pull up any post that you have a question on...that will serve you much better that trying to listen to the comments from the peanut gallery about my post. RE READ them first,this way,you don't walk into this forum with the boxing gloves concealed behind your back,trying to catch someone out there,it don't work.If you don't use this tactic,we can have a discussion. If you don't...we won't.  |
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Post by Aba21 on Jun 28, 2004 18:40:09 GMT -5
I asked this question on another thread and I ask it again here. If there was no problem with the group, why would Dennis Edwards be on hold? If there was nothing wrong why would they want to get rid of David. David made money for everybody. No jealousy from a background singer who couldn't replace him could ever be the reason DAVID was let go. that isn't even logical. If anyone was jealous, it would have to be Paul or Eddie not Otis. We pretty much know that wasn't the case. David himself knew they were going get rid of him according to Dennis........he came over to Dennis home the night before he was to be let go to talk Dennis into replacing him. If that story was true..............what was wrong with that picture? I mean did the group wake up one day and decide David was no longer good for the group even he did nothing to make them think that way? I think not.
Did he miss shows and rehersals? Smokey said so and my sources said he did also. Again, he was the first one replaced. Maybe, They didn't know what to do about the problem at that time, since it was the first time something like this of this magnitude happened, but THERE WAS a problem that needed to be dealt with. I don't think they knew how to handle it and this so called vote wasn't the end all. It was Berry who had the last word and Berry who could have put David back in without having to consult Otis or anybody else but he did not do that! Why?
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Post by Temptress on Jun 28, 2004 19:13:40 GMT -5
I have no clue.  ;D |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 29, 2004 8:57:14 GMT -5
I asked this question on another thread and I ask it again here. If there was no problem with the group, why would Dennis Edwards be on hold? If there was nothing wrong why would they want to get rid of David. David made money for everybody. No jealousy from a background singer who couldn't replace him could ever be the reason DAVID was let go. that isn't even logical. If anyone was jealous, it would have to be Paul or Eddie not Otis. We pretty much know that wasn't the case. David himself knew they were going get rid of him according to Dennis........he came over to Dennis home the night before he was to be let go to talk Dennis into replacing him. If that story was true..............what was wrong with that picture? I mean did the group wake up one day and decide David was no longer good for the group even he did nothing to make them think that way? I think not. Did he miss shows and rehersals? Smokey said so and my sources said he did also. Again, he was the first one replaced. Maybe, They didn't know what to do about the problem at that time, since it was the first time something like this of this magnitude happened, but THERE WAS a problem that needed to be dealt with. I don't think they knew how to handle it and this so called vote wasn't the end all. It was Berry who had the last word and Berry who could have put David back in without having to consult Otis or anybody else but he did not do that! Why? Why get rid of Ruffin? Because he was the first one to notice that business was not right. Why is that so hard to understand? The problem was BUSINESS. That's why Berry didn't put David back in the group..and why groupmates wanted David back...to replace Otis. My sources also say he missed rehearsals and shows...but he wasn't the only one.My sources also tell me that the reasons were not what the public is led to believe.David was very outspoken about his displeasure with the business-end of the group. A lot of times..he demanded things be done...for the GROUP! He grew tired of group meetings everyone is on the same page,but when it comes time to say the things that concern the group....some people change their tune. Why leave someone on a limb when they are trying to look out for YOU? |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 29, 2004 9:03:37 GMT -5
I asked this question on another thread and I ask it again here. If there was no problem with the group, why would Dennis Edwards be on hold? If there was nothing wrong why would they want to get rid of David. David made money for everybody. No jealousy from a background singer who couldn't replace him could ever be the reason DAVID was let go. that isn't even logical. If anyone was jealous, it would have to be Paul or Eddie not Otis. We pretty much know that wasn't the case. You know as well as I do that logic did not rule Motown. Who said that the jealously had anything to do with...singing,or the business of singing? Maybe he was mad because of he thought a woman he was seeing,and fell for wanted a group mate of his? Tell me that's impossible! ;D |
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Post by kim on Jun 29, 2004 12:15:54 GMT -5
David being fired could have not been mainly due to him not agreeing with Motown's business practices. There were numerous acts who weren't happy at Motown and called Berry out on his shady dealings. Gladys said they were charged like a grand for sheet music when they questioned Berry about it and what and why they were charged for this mysteriously there money was reimbursed back into their account. So the whole David calling out Berry can't be the only reason or main reason why he was fired. It was way more to it than that.
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As Aba said, nothing happened with Berry's Amen ... whenever an artist had enough of his dirty games and confronted him, they were in for big trouble. 
