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Post by Aba21 on Jun 24, 2004 12:36:36 GMT -5
One of the reasons that you speak of Debbie in regards to how a group is billed is not necessarialy the fault of the performer but more the fault of the promoter. When these groups are booked for shows the promoter is in it to make money as well and he will do most anything to ensure he does. I don't blame him. These groups do not see the promotion going on until a couple of days before the show when they might be asked to do an interview or something to help the sales.
I only say that by legal right Otis has the rights to bill his groups as the Temptations. It is known that Richard signed some crazy deal to get out of his contract witht he group and not using the name Temptations was part of that. I would not be surprised if Glenn had a similar deal he had to sign to leave which lends credence to the fact they weren't fired.......they quit!!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by kim on Jun 24, 2004 12:40:55 GMT -5
Off Topic question ....... Aba is Glenn still a minister?
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 24, 2004 12:41:22 GMT -5
One of the reasons that you speak of Debbie in regards to how a group is billed is not necessarialy the fault of the performer but more the fault of the promoter. When these groups are booked for shows the promoter is in it to make money as well and he will do most anything to ensure he does. I don't blame him. These groups do not see the promotion going on until a couple of days before the show when they might be asked to do an interview or something to help the sales. I only say that by legal right Otis has the rights to bill his groups as the Temptations. It is known that Richard signed some crazy deal to get out of his contract witht he group and not using the name Temptations was part of that. I would not be surprised if Glenn had a similar deal he had to sign to leave which lends credence to the fact they weren't fired.......they quit!!!!!!!! ;D Aba,I was speaking of even before Glenn& Richard left the group,they were "bought out" of the name |
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Post by Aba21 on Jun 24, 2004 12:42:12 GMT -5
Off Topic question ....... Aba is Glenn still a minister? Yes He is............. |
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Post by kim on Jun 24, 2004 12:44:10 GMT -5
Another question....(yes I'm nosey) how is his wife doing? I used to date who knew Glenn and his wife Ms. Darcell. He used to brag about how good Ms. Darcell's lasagna was. |
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Post by Aba21 on Jun 24, 2004 13:38:38 GMT -5
Another question....(yes I'm nosey) how is his wife doing? I used to date who knew Glenn and his wife Ms. Darcell. He used to brag about how good Ms. Darcell's lasagna was. He and his wife are doing fine.......... |
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Post by Peach on Jun 24, 2004 14:46:51 GMT -5
I don't need a hearing aid they sound off key each time I've heard them. I think they sound like a lounge act. Have you actually seen them in concert, in person, Kim? When I saw them on the PBS Special, I was not that impressed. They were so-so...a lot like how Otis' group sounded on the Motown special. But live..... Dennis' group was fantastic.....and impressive. And I do have an ear for music...... I have perfect pitch.  Peach |
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Post by kim on Jun 24, 2004 14:51:59 GMT -5
Have you actually seen them in concert, in person, Kim? When I saw them on the PBS Special, I was not that impressed. They were so-so...a lot like how Otis' group sounded on the Motown special. But live..... Dennis' group was fantastic.....and impressive. And I do have an ear for music...... I have perfect pitch. Peach I saw them along with The O'Jays a month ago. I was not impressed. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt before I comment. They look and sound like a lounge act. That's my opinion. |
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Post by Peach on Jun 24, 2004 14:57:23 GMT -5
Hm.  Well maybe they were having an off night? To me, they sound just as good as Otis' group... and are friendlier, too. So how were the Ojays?  Would love to see them! Peach |
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Post by kim on Jun 24, 2004 15:40:46 GMT -5
Hm. Well maybe they were having an off night? To me, they sound just as good as Otis' group... and are friendlier, too. So how were the Ojays? Would love to see them! Peach The OJay's were okay. If you fan of them I think you will enjoy there show. |
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Post by Debbie on Jun 25, 2004 11:33:04 GMT -5
To each their own..to me Otis' group sounds like STAR SEARCH ! Better name..THE IMITATIONS ! But to address the other part of your posts. How did they get the name(Otis& Melvin) without Richard & Glenn? My sources tell me that the FOUR of them signed a document saying that they and only them..Otis,Melvin,Richard & Glenn had the name TEMPTATIONS. This happened when they left Motown and Gordy threatened to take the name from them. Motown ,with the help of Smokey,gave the name to the four of them. The group did not fare well on the Atlantic label(Why,I don't know..I enjoyed both lp's) went bankrupt..went labelless for a period of time...before returning to Motown. My sources also tell me that they got out of bankruptcy by letting Motown have the name...for CASH to ease their financial burdon. That's when things get confusing. I don't know if they forced Richard & Glenn to forgo their claim to the name to help them out of a situtation,or what.But I do know that without Richard & Glenn...they would not have been able to survive during the label switch. There was no known voice in the group at that time.No other record company wanted to touch them. Kenny Gamble wanted to sign the Tempts....the REAL Tempts,Melvin,Otis,Dennis,David & Eddie. When he couldn't get that...he didn't want to work with them. Not because Gamble & Huff didn't want to work with "outside projects" as Otis wrote. More because they wanted to work with THE REAL TEMPTATIONS. Personally,I think that they would have made wonderful music with the lineup of Otis,Melvin,Dennis,Glenn & Richard,but unlike the Hall Of Fame,Gamble & Huff didn't think like ME ! ;D Mike - I will quote this from Otis's book! I know the first thought you will have - and will post - is that if my information is from Otis's book - the information is NO GOOD! But it seems to me - that quite awhile ago - I checked this information on-line - and found the same information. Before I start the quote - I do agree - this was situation happened in 1976 - along during the time that the Tempt's left Motown. Quote from page 181: "The first problem that cropped up was the matter of our name. Back in 1966 someone suggested that it would be a good idea for us to write to Washington, D.C., and register a copywrite on the name "The Temptations". I filled out the forms and mailed them off, feeling good that we were protecting our interests, even in a small way. A couple of weeks later I got a letter from the copywrite office informing me that our application two weeks late: a Mrs. Esther Gordy Edwards had already applied and was granted ownership of the name of the Temptations. Unlike some other acts, we'd never signed a contract with a provision granting Motown those rights. In our case, when we found out what they'd done behind our backs, we were upset. At the time though, we were on the rise. It didn't seem worth creating a fuss over. But by 1976 those days of being grateful and accepting were long gone. We fought, and Motown eventually relented and reversed the rights to our name to Melvin and I". |
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Post by Debbie on Jun 25, 2004 11:47:53 GMT -5
Forgot to say - As long as Otis continues to carry on with the Group - and does have the RIGHT AND OWNERSHIP of the name "The Temptations" - they do not DESERVE your nick-name "The Imitations".
Where in all actually - if you want to pin that particular nick-name to anybody - it belongs to Dennis's Group - along with anybody else using anything similar to the Temptation name. Put the jacket on to somebody it actually fits.
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 25, 2004 15:11:49 GMT -5
Forgot to say - As long as Otis continues to carry on with the Group - and does have the RIGHT AND OWNERSHIP of the name "The Temptations" - they do not DESERVE your nick-name "The Imitations". Where in all actually - if you want to pin that particular nick-name to anybody - it belongs to Dennis's Group - along with anybody else using anything similar to the Temptation name. Put the jacket on to somebody it actually fits. Idid..I put it on Otis& The IMITATIONS. I said it as a joke to David Ruffin,and it was overheard by Tony Turner,and used in his book. Since you're so into "QUOTES". I call em' as I see them. Now,Pg 133 HARDCOVER Otis' book "A couple of years before there was some talk talk of Motown acts and producers uniting together to negotiate for better deals,but Motown got wind of it ,thanks to certain snitch babies,and put a stop to that." No matter how much money we were making,Eddie thought that Motown was giving us a raw deal. He wanted something to be done about it,and soon. He became impatient with my analytical,methodical approach. I saw his point;after all,we split the group's income equally,so we were each getting the short end of the same stick. But I felt it my responsibility to examine the situtation from all angles and make sure that a piece of solid ground was waiting if we decided to make a major move. Eddie's solutition was muchsimpler: the Temptations would go on strike-no more tours,no more records. "I don't think that's goning to get it,Eddie",I explained. "I think we should keep on recording,try to get as strong as we can and get in a much better financial position so that we can really do something. Motown's got too many acts around just dying to take our place. Ultimately we'd be hurting ourselves". Was Otis the snitch that he was talking about? How much stronger could they get,being the first group on Motown to receive a Grammy? You think that they were not as strong as ...say the Spinners?,The Four Tops?..As it turned out the "better financial position" was bankruptcy. Stop me when I'm lying ,now! Kim,'s opinion was that if the they stuck together,they should not have worried about Motown replacing the whole group. What do you think? |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 25, 2004 15:23:13 GMT -5
I forgot,I'll call them what they are to me...IMITATIONS. I don't recall asking permission to say what I want. They got it the old fashioned way...They EARNED IT ! :laughing Got more quotes? While your at it,you might notice that I have quoted Otis' book several times in my posts. Personally ,I would like to read your Temptations resume',since you asked for mine. Care to share? |
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Post by Debbie on Jun 27, 2004 14:36:33 GMT -5
Idid..I put it on Otis& The IMITATIONS. I said it as a joke to David Ruffin,and it was overheard by Tony Turner,and used in his book. Since you're so into "QUOTES". I call em' as I see them. Now,Pg 133 HARDCOVER Otis' book "A couple of years before there was some talk talk of Motown acts and producers uniting together to negotiate for better deals,but Motown got wind of it ,thanks to certain snitch babies,and put a stop to that." No matter how much money we were making,Eddie thought that Motown was giving us a raw deal. He wanted something to be done about it,and soon. He became impatient with my analytical,methodical approach. I saw his point;after all,we split the group's income equally,so we were each getting the short end of the same stick. But I felt it my responsibility to examine the situtation from all angles and make sure that a piece of solid ground was waiting if we decided to make a major move. Eddie's solutition was muchsimpler: the Temptations would go on strike-no more tours,no more records. "I don't think that's goning to get it,Eddie",I explained. "I think we should keep on recording,try to get as strong as we can and get in a much better financial position so that we can really do something. Motown's got too many acts around just dying to take our place. Ultimately we'd be hurting ourselves". Was Otis the snitch that he was talking about? How much stronger could they get,being the first group on Motown to receive a Grammy? You think that they were not as strong as ...say the Spinners?,The Four Tops?..As it turned out the "better financial position" was bankruptcy. Stop me when I'm lying ,now! Kim,'s opinion was that if the they stuck together,they should not have worried about Motown replacing the whole group. What do you think? First of all Mike - your quotes come fom pages 136-137. I do not think Otis was the snitch. Just like I don't believe that the idea behind letting David leave the group was due to pure JEALOUSY - as you have stated, MANY times before. Otis made the decision along with the Classic 5 (and maybe Berry too). Since David had a great talent - he was more than capable of bringing more money to the Group and Berry too. It makes no sense to me to let a great talent go - due to JEALOUSY - PLEASE! David was let go - due to David missing shows and rehersals. |
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