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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 30, 2004 14:43:51 GMT -5
Go back and read some of your own posts - and you might be able to understand how you come across to people - especially how it comes across to people in reagrds to you claiming how much time you have spent with the Group - especially David. I have also asked you to post up the publications you claim to have gathered from the vast information about the Group they have published or where you are getting your information from. Why do you feel the NEED to continue to make RUDE posts to people who do not agree with you? In reading this board - it seems everybody is looking for a GOOD CONVERSATION.! Your attitude is TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP - and now I feel the need to say the same thing to you. There is no need for meto re-read my post,I know what I'm gonna say before I write it.  The fact that you keep bringing up DAVID proves to me that you're not reading my posts,other than the fact that you CLAIM that you can pull them up. Maybe you can,but you can't pull the wool over my eyes. Pull the post and let's get this out of the way,if not...move on! I can't post the articles that I "CLAIM" to have. Why? Because I never "CLAIMED" anything,I have them,not claim to have them...big difference. ;D See,I understand everything that you write,don't think that I don't. To sum this up,put it to rest and set you on the right path,you are the one who came at me with the chip on your shoulder,asking me how can I afford this and that. I said to you very clear what I felt about that and you still continue to go down that path,then want to call ME RUDE? Now, that takes a very good imagination. But what you need to do is check yourself. I can conversate with you on any level,but I don't want to know your personal business,and You don't have a right to ask me mine. I have stated in my many posts as to where my information comes from...Read it. If you have any real questions,ask me. If there is a post of mine that you want to question..post it,I'll answer you. Maybe not the way you want me to,but I won't ignore you. Just stop the B.S. and get real. You claim you can pull up my post...start Pulling!  |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 30, 2004 14:48:47 GMT -5
Actually I can ... I'll help mike ... it was from last summer ... and after you called him a crackhead I called you a F**kin' Tweeker ... Remember? ... That was when I had about 25 posts ... I forget were it was ... But I remeber it VERY clearly ;D Davidfan you want to help me? Let me handle this. If you see me and a bear in a fight...give the bear the knife...I don't need the help. Help David by watching what you say. You'll help me too in that aspect! Cool?  You won't help David by getting bounced! |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 2, 2004 15:45:27 GMT -5
I guess they couldn't find a post to pull up. :laughing
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Post by Davidfan on Jul 2, 2004 16:08:36 GMT -5
Davidfan you want to help me? Let me handle this. If you see me and a bear in a fight...give the bear the knife...I don't need the help. Help David by watching what you say. You'll help me too in that aspect! Cool? You won't help David by getting bounced! Gotcha mike ... Just thought I would bring up that one instant ... One of my first memoeries of this board really ... lol ... That's kinda sad now I think about it ... I will throw in my opinion ... But I'll let you get this ;D |
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Post by Debbie on Jul 11, 2004 14:16:33 GMT -5
First of all Mike - As I have stated before - I have a deep respect for David's voice - and his performance on stage.
I am not quite sure if you agree with me or not - but I feel that Berry fired him. Keeping in mind - that David had a excellent voice along with great show-man-ship - would mean that David was a GREAT MONEY maker for Berry. Since Berry was so in-tuned into making great amounts of money - why would he fire somebody who was a Great Money maker (David) unless there was problems with this Person - most namely the problem of David missing shows and/or rehersals.
For ALL THE FAULTS that Berry had - and the way he treated his people under the Motown name - the majority of REGULAR people have to admit that Berry was "One of the smartest BUSINESS people around". Especially during the age/era he was from.
Have you read Genna's Book? If so - do you agree with what she had to say about David?
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 11, 2004 21:32:35 GMT -5
In Berry Gordy's book he claims to have tried to save David from being let go but it was all ready done we he got involved. I find that very hard to believe based on the fact that if that was the case then he shouldn't have had any reason to be mad a David and not release his solo work. Secondly we all know that if Berry wanted David back in the group he would have been back in the group........simple as that.
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Post by ZeldaFScott on Jul 11, 2004 21:48:36 GMT -5
We watched "Standing In The Shadows Of Motown" the other day. There 's no doubt in my mind that Berry had a pimp mentality. Living of other's work was his philosophy of life ... David and a few other artists did not tolerate such insulting behavior ... and got their behinds beaten -- just as pimps treat their prostitutes. That's my opinion.
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 12, 2004 14:48:00 GMT -5
First of all Mike - As I have stated before - I have a deep respect for David's voice - and his performance on stage. I am not quite sure if you agree with me or not - but I feel that Berry fired him. Keeping in mind - that David had a excellent voice along with great show-man-ship - would mean that David was a GREAT MONEY maker for Berry. Since Berry was so in-tuned into making great amounts of money - why would he fire somebody who was a Great Money maker (David) unless there was problems with this Person - most namely the problem of David missing shows and/or rehersals. For ALL THE FAULTS that Berry had - and the way he treated his people under the Motown name - the majority of REGULAR people have to admit that Berry was "One of the smartest BUSINESS people around". Especially during the age/era he was from. Have you read Genna's Book? If so - do you agree with what she had to say about David? If you read my post,I've already answered the question concerning Genna's book. Yes,I did read it,no I don't agree with her statements.I don't agree with yours either. The problem with David was his mouth and his unwillingness to kiss ass. That was the problem. Hell, drugs were all over Motown. Plus,did you ever attend a show that David was supposed to be there and he wasn't? Got any pictures showing four tempts..David being the missing member and he was supposed to be there? I was watching a story on J.R. Richard a pitcher who suffered a stroke during the height of his playing days. The rumors was that he was faking his injury due to drug use, all the sportscasters ran with this story....until the man suffered the stroke. But at least the sportscasters retracted their eariler "reports" publicly. The point that I'm making is that you don't know how many rehersals David made,or didn't make...unless YOU followed them to every rehearsal and show that they did,like you told me,what is the difference? Do you know for sure? No,you don't. I don't know about Gordy being one of the smartest businessmen around. I don't call cheating people smart. Did you read Genna's book? Since you have read my posts ,you already know how I feel about her book,but you haven't shared with us how YOU feel. Care to share your thoughts on her book? |
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Post by Davidfan on Jul 12, 2004 15:18:06 GMT -5
I agree with mike (except that kiss ass part  ) I still have yet to see a pic of what Mike and I call the C4, Genna's book made David look like a moron, and a little of a man's man if ya get me, I don't exactly like the book, But again can't argue it cause I don't know what they did behind closed doors, Same way I don't know David made or missed rehersals, But I never seen the tempts sans ruffin. To response on aba's post: Aba look at Otis's book, He said HE didn't want David there, and that HE didn't want David back, I think Berry may have wanted David back, But the temptations didn't want him back, 5 - 1 vote there, Besides, Dennis was the one selling records after David left, Would Berry Really give up current money on a chance that David might not sell like he used too? ;D |
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 12, 2004 20:52:29 GMT -5
Had nothing to do with what Otis wanted. If Berry wanted David back in the group...........he would have been back no questions asked because he was the dictator of Motown and I mean dictator. I don't think it comes as a surprise Otis didn't wnat David back. He couldn't control David and that was the problem. If you can't control him, get rid of him.
Plus my point was to illustrate Berry trying to deflect the onus of David not being in the group onto Otis as opposed to where it belonged.......on himself. Nothing went on at Motown during those years without Berry's blessing. And again I say if that was the case..........why hold back David's music if he himself wasn't mad at David? There's your proof right there! I read Otis book and Geena' and Tony Turner and all the rest but it comes down to Berry Gordy during the C5 years period. Also, that so called vote only counted in horseshoes as far as Berry was concerned. ;D
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Post by Temptress on Jul 12, 2004 22:55:55 GMT -5
good point why was davids music held back? ???That had to be Berrys doing?!
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 12, 2004 23:08:42 GMT -5
There's no question about that. I am only saying all the stuff that went down didn't come form Otis. But David gave people enough rope to hang him by his actions too. If you know they are out to get you, then you find a wayt ot keep it from happening. Sometimes arrogance is not the best way to deal with a problem. He probably had no idea Berry would do that to him cause after all he was David Ruffin.
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Post by Temptress on Jul 12, 2004 23:14:36 GMT -5
Maybe he didn't like being in the group.  |
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 12, 2004 23:48:31 GMT -5
If you believe what Jimmy Ruffin said.......he didn't!
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Post by ZeldaFScott on Jul 12, 2004 23:58:43 GMT -5
"But David gave people enough rope to hang him by his actions too."
... unfortunately, that is true.
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