Motown suit.

[Debbie]

MikeNYC said:

If you read my post,I've already answered the question concerning Genna's book. Yes,I did read it,no I don't agree with her statements.I don't agree with yours either. The problem with David was his mouth and his unwillingness to kiss ass. That was the problem. Hell, drugs were all over Motown. Plus,did you ever attend a show that David was supposed to be there and he wasn't? Got any pictures showing four tempts..David being the missing member and he was supposed to be there? I was watching a story on J.R. Richard a pitcher who suffered a stroke during the height of his playing days. The rumors was that he was faking his injury due to drug use, all the sportscasters ran with this story....until the man suffered the stroke. But at least the sportscasters retracted their eariler "reports" publicly. The point that I'm making is that you don't know how many rehersals David made,or didn't make...unless YOU followed them to every rehearsal and show that they did,like you told me,what is the difference? Do you know for sure? No,you don't. I don't know about Gordy being one of the smartest businessmen around. I don't call cheating people smart.
Did you read Genna's book? Since you have read my posts ,you already know how I feel about her book,but you haven't shared with us how YOU feel. Care to share your thoughts on her book?

I have read Genna's book and I have talked with her on the phone quite a bit. Genna lived with David on and off for years. If anybody knows David - she does. Genna loved David (and still does) with all heart - but she knew what David's faults were.

[kalisa2]

Aba21 said:

If you believe what Jimmy Ruffin said.......he didn't!

but if you believe the Liner Notes from "David"...he DID. He was devastated to no longer be a Temptation, according to Ivy Joe Hunter. (I think...CD in car, me typing from memory).

[kalisa2]

AnnaKonda said:

"But David gave people enough rope to hang him by his actions too."

... unfortunately, that is true.

Yes, unfortunately at times David was his own worst enemy. He wasn't the only one in the group to "partake"... but that combined with his making loud noises about the money gave the PTB's the 'excuse' to work him out. Hard for them to say "he's out because he questioned the money/business"... but he gave them the other excuses to use against him. JMO.

[ZeldaFScott]

kalisa2 said:

Yes, unfortunately at times David was his own worst enemy. He wasn't the only one in the group to "partake"... but that combined with his making loud noises about the money gave the PTB's the 'excuse' to work him out. Hard for them to say "he's out because he questioned the money/business"... but he gave them the other excuses to use against him. JMO.

Exactly my thought, Kalisa. It was so easy to blame everything he did to his known drug use ... Too late now, though.

[Debbie]

Aba21 said:

There's no question about that. I am only saying all the stuff that went down didn't come form Otis. But David gave people enough rope to hang him by his actions too. If you know they are out to get you, then you find a wayt ot keep it from happening. Sometimes arrogance is not the best way to deal with a problem. He probably had no idea Berry would do that to him cause after all he was David Ruffin.

:clapping: :clapping: :yourock: :yourock:

Thanks for that post Aba21 - I am in most agreement with that post.

[Debbie]

Aba21 said:

There's no question about that. I am only saying all the stuff that went down didn't come form Otis. But David gave people enough rope to hang him by his actions too. If you know they are out to get you, then you find a wayt ot keep it from happening. Sometimes arrogance is not the best way to deal with a problem. He probably had no idea Berry would do that to him cause after all he was David Ruffin.

:clapping: :clapping: :yourock: :yourock:

Thanks for that post Aba21 - I am in most agreement with that post.

[Debbie]

SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST EVERYBODY! When I clicked on "Post" = I got the message saying "Too Many Connections On This Server - Try Again in 30 Seconds".

After 30 Seconds went by - I clicked once again on "Post" and it made a double post.

SO SORRY FOLKS -

[kalisa2]

Debbie said:

SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST EVERYBODY! When I clicked on "Post" = I got the message saying "Too Many Connections On This Server - Try Again in 30 Seconds".

After 30 Seconds went by - I clicked once again on "Post" and it made a double post.

SO SORRY FOLKS -

Debbie...when this happens, and it does happen to all of us, we have the ability to go back and "delete" the extra posts. Up on the right where it says "quote" and "modify", there will also be a "delete" on your own posts only. (same with "modify"...you can only modify your own)

[Debbie]

kalisa2 said:

Debbie...when this happens, and it does happen to all of us, we have the ability to go back and "delete" the extra posts. Up on the right where it says "quote" and "modify", there will also be a "delete" on your own posts only. (same with "modify"...you can only modify your own)

Thanks for the kind post kalisa2! I am so sorry about showing my ignorance - I have been posting on this board often - and I am trying to get used to it. Thanks again fpr putting up with me.

[Debbie]

Debbie said:

Thanks for the kind post kalisa2! I am so sorry about showing my ignorance. I am not used to posting on this board.

I meant to say "Having NOT been posting on this board often". GEEZE - talking about making SEVERAL MISTAKES in my posts - I so very much want to say "I AM SO VERY MUCH SORRY!

[kalisa2]

No "sorry"'s needed Debbie!! We're just so very glad to have you here !

[Temptress]

Aba21 said:

If you believe what Jimmy Ruffin said.......he didn't![/quote

What other sources do we have from people close to David? He started singing with Dennis and Eddie that was a group. So Jimmy had to be wrong!?

[kym]

Aba21 said:

In Berry Gordy's book he claims to have tried to save David from being let go but it was all ready done we he got involved. I find that very hard to believe based on the fact that if that was the case then he shouldn't have had any reason to be mad a David and not release his solo work. Secondly we all know that if Berry wanted David back in the group he would have been back in the group........simple as that.

So true! Berry was focusing on something else - Diana!!!

[peece]

Temptress, on The Lead singers Of The Temptations video(Street Gold), Eddie said that David was following the Tempts around because he wanted to be a member of the group. He said that David even played drums for them. Also, David was a member of The Dixie Nightingales (a gospel group), and The Voice Masters. Sometimes friction between people can make it hard to work together. I think there may be a combination of things that eventually lead to David's dismissal from the group. But, from what I've read I don't think David was one to be afraid to voice his opinion and as Kym mentioned Berry's attention was focused on his prodigy/girlfriend, Dianna. A combination of factors.

[MikeNYC]

Aba21 said:

Had nothing to do with what Otis wanted. If Berry wanted David back in the group...........he would have been back no questions asked because he was the dictator of Motown and I mean dictator. I don't think it comes as a surprise Otis didn't wnat David back. He couldn't control David and that was the problem. If you can't control him, get rid of him.

Plus my point was to illustrate Berry trying to deflect the onus of David not being in the group onto Otis as opposed to where it belonged.......on himself. Nothing went on at Motown during those years without Berry's blessing. And again I say if that was the case..........why hold back David's music if he himself wasn't mad at David? There's your proof right there! I read Otis book and Geena' and Tony Turner and all the rest but it comes down to Berry Gordy during the C5 years period. Also, that so called vote only counted in horseshoes as far as Berry was concerned. ;D

Then,why would Otis LIE about Gordy's involvement in David's firing...if what you are saying is so?
According to Otis,Berry had nothing to do with it.