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Post by Debbie on May 31, 2004 12:20:51 GMT -5
Aba21 - APPLAUSE - APPLAUSE on your posts in this thread. I give you MUCH CREDIT for standing up and posting up what your opinions and beliefs are - especially when so many people do not agree. I wish to say that I totally agree with your opinions and beliefs.
I get so upset for the double standard people have about Otis - they feel that Otis was not the person who started the Group or was not the so-called Leader of the Group - but yet at the same time BLAME Otis for EVERY problem the Group has suffered - you can't have it both ways.
People say that the information Otis put in his ORIGINAL BOOK was not the truth - but yet fail to give him credit for adding a chapter to his book - where he did correct some of the the things he wrote in the Original book.
If you have read the added chapter to his book - it is quite understanding why he wrote the things he did in the Original book.
For instance - he corrects in the added chapter of his book the way Melvin died. Melvin died a horrible death - and I feel the way he depicted Melvins death in the original book - he was trying to spare Melvin's true death to all of Melvin's fans - and also trying to spare how upset he was over the horrible death Melvin actually died of.
For all the people who felt Otis depicted himself in the book as an "Angel" - please consider this:
Otis did say in his book - that he too took drugs - drank - and did USE sex with Women who were both Famous and Women who were just fans - along with the rest of the Classic 5.
As far as David being "Fired" from the Group- let us remind ourselves - that Otis did not jump up on his "Own" and say David would be "Fired" from the Group and then carried out HIS decision all on his own - there was a vote taken among the Classic 5 on that decision - and you know Berry Gordy had to have had a "Say" in that decision also.
Face it - as much as I have MUCH RESPECT for the great "Talent" David had - he created quite a few problems for the Group.
David was known not only to miss rehearsals - but would also miss "Show's And Concerts the Group had scheduled.
Just like ANY JOB - if you have a habit of not showing up for work - or meetings retaining to your job - you will "Get Fired". In may cases - if the WHOLE Group did not appear for shows or concerts - the Group was not paid. If anybody found this to be a problem in whatever job they have - they would be just as upset. Imagine yourself trying to explain to your Family - "I have no pay to bring home for the work I have done - because so and so missed work and now myself - along with my co-workers have no pay to bring home". YOU WOULD BE LIVID!
The feeling would be the same if it was another member of the Group other than David doing the same thing to the Group.
Along with the Group suffering over this problem - so was Berry Gordy (not that I am a big fan of Berry Gordy -I have to also marvel at the Business Man he was - especially during that time) if the Group was suffering over not getting paid - Berry Gordy ALSO was not getting paid - after him putting out the money for the Group to travel, etc.
David felt justified to allow his head to swell so big - to demand the Group change their name to "David Ruffin & The Temptations". Once again - if you worked with David (or somebody who had the same attitude that David had) you would not want to work with this person - especially if they were costing you your paycheck.
I also get tired of people not giving Otis the justice and credit he deserves in regards to his MANY YEARS of continuing to perform and continuing to cut new songs.
This Man continues to perform with a full concert schedule every year - even though he is in his 60's. Even while he has had major problems with his knee or knee's and even after having surgery done - he still appears at all the show's and concerts that are scheduled - even if he has to sit on a stool most of the time. Even though he has to sit on a stool during his concerts - he still gets up and does some of the steps with the Group - and if he has to sit on the stool - he is one of the best "Stool Dancers" I have ever seen.
He has taken quite a beating over his book - but so far -nobody else involved in the Group (even Family members) have not come forward with a book to show us a different side of the story - other than Genna Ruffin - and as much as she loved David - her book also showed us quite a bit of the down-side of David.
I so hope Richard will come out with his book - and there has been talk that the Paul Williams Family will come out with a book also. If those books are ever published - I will read them with a open mind.
Being a Woman - not too far behind Otis's age - I marvel everyday over the stamina this Man has. Please ask yourself - when the time comes in your life that you are the same age Otis is today - would you be able to carry out the heavy schedule Otis has? I am sure you will also marvel at Otis too!
Thanks for allowing me to state my opinion (although I know my post will not be held in the highest regard).
Once again - I have to applause Aba21 for standing up and posting his opinions - knowing full well - so many people will not agree.
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Post by GD on May 31, 2004 15:32:01 GMT -5
Aba21 - APPLAUSE - APPLAUSE on your posts in this thread. I give you MUCH CREDIT for standing up and posting up what your opinions and beliefs are - especially when so many people do not agree. I wish to say that I totally agree with your opinions and beliefs. People say that the information Otis put in his ORIGINAL BOOK was not the truth - but yet fail to give him credit for adding a chapter to his book - where he did correct some of the the things he wrote in the Original book. If you have read the added chapter to his book - it is quite understanding why he wrote the things he did in the Original book. For instance - he corrects in the added chapter of his book the way Melvin died. Melvin died a horrible death - and I feel the way he depicted Melvins death in the original book - he was trying to spare Melvin's true death to all of Melvin's fans - and also trying to spare how upset he was over the horrible death Melvin actually died of. HUH  Otis' book originally came out in the mid to late 80's. Melvin was still very much with us when the book was first published. |
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Post by Aba21 on May 31, 2004 15:54:27 GMT -5
Do you know this for sure? We do know that the man didn't stand up. Look at what happened when he did! Plus, he said that he should have done some of the things that his ex groupmates did,like cuss Jay Lisker out. Is this the kind of blind loyalty that you were talking about? The man said he should have stepped up,and that's how we know that he didn't do it in the past. Or ,at least OTIS was not satisfied with the effort OTIS put out in speaking out.This is not about weather anyone thinks that Otis was the least important Temptation. We all know better.And to some,we don't like the way he tries to make himself the most important Temptation! At the expense of others. That is crappy to say the least. This is not about a "favorite",or "being mad that a so-called favorite got the short end of the stick"...this is about what's right and what's wrong. The way it seems to me,as many times as it's pointed out that David,Eddie,Paul & Dennis were not PERFECT,two more times excuses are made when it's time to talk about Otis' imperfections. You can't do that. I,for one won't let you.Trust me,I won't. Otis tried that in writting his book. He didn't get away with it,and rightfully so,he was wrong in doing what he did.It was NOT his place to do so. The only reason he did it was for MONEY ! If not,he would have just written about himself like Smokey,Gladys,Martha and anyone that has had an interesting life to talk about,and happened to be a part of a group. Unlike Otis. This is not a HATE-OTIS statement,just the truth. A truth that can't be denied! Blind Loyalty? I know you can't be referring to me because if anything my loyalty to all of them speaks for itself. And when I make a comment it is usually in response to something someone else said. I don't need to prove my position, cause I'm comfortable where I sit. I have not disputed one thing you have said in regards to the story because it is not of the story I speak......I continually get thrown back in the mix when I am merely trying to find a way to get us all out of it. If saying something good about Otis makes everyone upset then that's too bad cause the man is not a monster like he is sometimes portrayed around here. To be truthful, he *is* the most impotant Temptation now. It wasn't always and he didn't say he was unless you have something to show me he said he was. This is all based on how you view his actions. I see it differently. I see a man trying to save himself with not nearly the compassion and regard for others who didn't see it his way. His faults and misdeeds have been bandied about on many threads for the past few months and if I read something that says he was at fault for something I know he wasn't, then I'm gonna speak up. If someone says something that they don't prefice with *IN MY OPINION*, I INTEND to challenge it. If they don't need you to speak for them...then don't. I don't speak for anyone but me. People get hurt more by people who say things and don't know what they're talking about than in any other way. All I want to see is this whole thing brought to a close and to move into an area in which a more positive spin on the Temptations can be discussed.............They have a new cd coming out in June and all ready without even hearing the thing people are talking about what it is and what it isn't......wait until you hear it before you comment.......one song don't make a cd for me and I will reserve judgement until I get to hear the whole thing.....To get back to the point.................I don't see anything that Otis did that has a darn thing to do with David suing Motown!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by kalisa2 on May 31, 2004 16:42:55 GMT -5
Nobody ever said that it did. The only thing was said is that Bobby Womack turned David on to drugs. Who can say that he didn't. In some people's view,that is holding the person responsible that started David on drugs. You can't say that's not right because DUI laws were founded on those beliefs. A bartender does not hold a gun to a person's head to take a drink,but if that person has too much to drink,and their last known whereabouts was the bar....guess who's going down if something happens to the person that's drinking? The Bar that gave him the drink!That's the Law Of The Land,weather we like it,or understand! You know you're right about the bar situation. Do I think its 100% right? NO I DO NOT. Drinkers as well as anybody else should be responsible for their own actions. Do I appreciate the Gov't./law enforcement taking away their responsibility for their actions? NO....because if they can take away the responsibilities they can just as easy take away the rights...which they're doing every day anyways. But (off my soapbox now)...in the case of drinkers, it was an effort to protect the REST of society from drunk drivers, and to make somebody supposedly with their head screwed on straight or not intoxicated be responsible for trying to prevent somebody cuckoo on booze go out and wreak mayhem on innocents. The only thing was said is that Bobby Womack turned David on to drugs. Who can say that he didn't.1) No, that wasn't the only thing that was said and 2) Who can say that he DID? Even bobby can't say that for SURE, only David knew for SURE, and it still makes no difference. |
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Post by Aba21 on May 31, 2004 16:58:17 GMT -5
Aba21 - APPLAUSE - APPLAUSE on your posts in this thread. I give you MUCH CREDIT for standing up and posting up what your opinions and beliefs are - especially when so many people do not agree. I wish to say that I totally agree with your opinions and beliefs. I get so upset for the double standard people have about Otis - they feel that Otis was not the person who started the Group or was not the so-called Leader of the Group - but yet at the same time BLAME Otis for EVERY problem the Group has suffered - you can't have it both ways. People say that the information Otis put in his ORIGINAL BOOK was not the truth - but yet fail to give him credit for adding a chapter to his book - where he did correct some of the the things he wrote in the Original book. If you have read the added chapter to his book - it is quite understanding why he wrote the things he did in the Original book. For instance - he corrects in the added chapter of his book the way Melvin died. Melvin died a horrible death - and I feel the way he depicted Melvins death in the original book - he was trying to spare Melvin's true death to all of Melvin's fans - and also trying to spare how upset he was over the horrible death Melvin actually died of. For all the people who felt Otis depicted himself in the book as an "Angel" - please consider this: Otis did say in his book - that he too took drugs - drank - and did USE sex with Women who were both Famous and Women who were just fans - along with the rest of the Classic 5. As far as David being "Fired" from the Group- let us remind ourselves - that Otis did not jump up on his "Own" and say David would be "Fired" from the Group and then carried out HIS decision all on his own - there was a vote taken among the Classic 5 on that decision - and you know Berry Gordy had to have had a "Say" in that decision also. Face it - as much as I have MUCH RESPECT for the great "Talent" David had - he created quite a few problems for the Group. David was known not only to miss rehearsals - but would also miss "Show's And Concerts the Group had scheduled. Just like ANY JOB - if you have a habit of not showing up for work - or meetings retaining to your job - you will "Get Fired". In may cases - if the WHOLE Group did not appear for shows or concerts - the Group was not paid. If anybody found this to be a problem in whatever job they have - they would be just as upset. Imagine yourself trying to explain to your Family - "I have no pay to bring home for the work I have done - because so and so missed work and now myself - along with my co-workers have no pay to bring home". YOU WOULD BE LIVID! The feeling would be the same if it was another member of the Group other than David doing the same thing to the Group. Along with the Group suffering over this problem - so was Berry Gordy (not that I am a big fan of Berry Gordy -I have to also marvel at the Business Man he was - especially during that time) if the Group was suffering over not getting paid - Berry Gordy ALSO was not getting paid - after him putting out the money for the Group to travel, etc. David felt justified to allow his head to swell so big - to demand the Group change their name to "David Ruffin & The Temptations". Once again - if you worked with David (or somebody who had the same attitude that David had) you would not want to work with this person - especially if they were costing you your paycheck. I also get tired of people not giving Otis the justice and credit he deserves in regards to his MANY YEARS of continuing to perform and continuing to cut new songs. This Man continues to perform with a full concert schedule every year - even though he is in his 60's. Even while he has had major problems with his knee or knee's and even after having surgery done - he still appears at all the show's and concerts that are scheduled - even if he has to sit on a stool most of the time. Even though he has to sit on a stool during his concerts - he still gets up and does some of the steps with the Group - and if he has to sit on the stool - he is one of the best "Stool Dancers" I have ever seen. He has taken quite a beating over his book - but so far -nobody else involved in the Group (even Family members) have not come forward with a book to show us a different side of the story - other than Genna Ruffin - and as much as she loved David - her book also showed us quite a bit of the down-side of David. I so hope Richard will come out with his book - and there has been talk that the Paul Williams Family will come out with a book also. If those books are ever published - I will read them with a open mind. Being a Woman - not too far behind Otis's age - I marvel everyday over the stamina this Man has. Please ask yourself - when the time comes in your life that you are the same age Otis is today - would you be able to carry out the heavy schedule Otis has? I am sure you will also marvel at Otis too! Thanks for allowing me to state my opinion (although I know my post will not be held in the highest regard). Once again - I have to applause Aba21 for standing up and posting his opinions - knowing full well - so many people will not agree. Thank you Debbie for your comments. But I am a Temptations fan, all 20 of them, including Otis. In every story there is someone in which everyone does not agree on and that's ok. But when you color and flavor the story to match your feelings then that's wrong. I just won't let it happen if I see it and know better............ |
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Post by Davidfan on May 31, 2004 23:53:45 GMT -5
Like I have said before ... I am the FIRST one to talk trash on O when the time comes .. BUT even I can see were ABA is coming from Otis started the group sure ... But he doesn't need to take blame for what other people do ... He may have made some bad desions but Other people (david, sadly for example) HAD THE CHOICE to do what they wanted or to do qhat was right ... they took their way ... And Otis can't be blamed for that ... Also ... Otis was there ... We were not (some people excluded) We can not say what happened or didn't 100% fpr sure ... So even I will leave otis alone sometime ... and although on the temnptation list he is number 20 to me ... With out him ... were would David, Paul, Eddie and every other tempt since then be now? He makes mistakes HE'S HUMAN ... cut him a lil slack ;D
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Post by Aba21 on Jun 1, 2004 0:06:55 GMT -5
I hear you! All he is is a Temptation no more, no less and not bad at what he does which is sing background. He has been here for a long time and I want to be able to say I saw them all until the day I left this life...........that it and that';s all!!!! ;D ;D
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Post by Debbie on Jun 1, 2004 9:26:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction GD. What I was trying to say was Otis corrected the way Melvin died in the Movie when he added the new chapter to the book.
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 1, 2004 16:27:35 GMT -5
Aba21 - APPLAUSE - APPLAUSE on your posts in this thread. I give you MUCH CREDIT for standing up and posting up what your opinions and beliefs are - especially when so many people do not agree. I wish to say that I totally agree with your opinions and beliefs. I get so upset for the double standard people have about Otis - they feel that Otis was not the person who started the Group or was not the so-called Leader of the Group - but yet at the same time BLAME Otis for EVERY problem the Group has suffered - you can't have it both ways. People say that the information Otis put in his ORIGINAL BOOK was not the truth - but yet fail to give him credit for adding a chapter to his book - where he did correct some of the the things he wrote in the Original book. If you have read the added chapter to his book - it is quite understanding why he wrote the things he did in the Original book. For instance - he corrects in the added chapter of his book the way Melvin died. Melvin died a horrible death - and I feel the way he depicted Melvins death in the original book - he was trying to spare Melvin's true death to all of Melvin's fans - and also trying to spare how upset he was over the horrible death Melvin actually died of. For all the people who felt Otis depicted himself in the book as an "Angel" - please consider this: Otis did say in his book - that he too took drugs - drank - and did USE sex with Women who were both Famous and Women who were just fans - along with the rest of the Classic 5. As far as David being "Fired" from the Group- let us remind ourselves - that Otis did not jump up on his "Own" and say David would be "Fired" from the Group and then carried out HIS decision all on his own - there was a vote taken among the Classic 5 on that decision - and you know Berry Gordy had to have had a "Say" in that decision also. Face it - as much as I have MUCH RESPECT for the great "Talent" David had - he created quite a few problems for the Group. David was known not only to miss rehearsals - but would also miss "Show's And Concerts the Group had scheduled. Just like ANY JOB - if you have a habit of not showing up for work - or meetings retaining to your job - you will "Get Fired". In may cases - if the WHOLE Group did not appear for shows or concerts - the Group was not paid. If anybody found this to be a problem in whatever job they have - they would be just as upset. Imagine yourself trying to explain to your Family - "I have no pay to bring home for the work I have done - because so and so missed work and now myself - along with my co-workers have no pay to bring home". YOU WOULD BE LIVID! The feeling would be the same if it was another member of the Group other than David doing the same thing to the Group. Along with the Group suffering over this problem - so was Berry Gordy (not that I am a big fan of Berry Gordy -I have to also marvel at the Business Man he was - especially during that time) if the Group was suffering over not getting paid - Berry Gordy ALSO was not getting paid - after him putting out the money for the Group to travel, etc. David felt justified to allow his head to swell so big - to demand the Group change their name to "David Ruffin & The Temptations". Once again - if you worked with David (or somebody who had the same attitude that David had) you would not want to work with this person - especially if they were costing you your paycheck. I also get tired of people not giving Otis the justice and credit he deserves in regards to his MANY YEARS of continuing to perform and continuing to cut new songs. This Man continues to perform with a full concert schedule every year - even though he is in his 60's. Even while he has had major problems with his knee or knee's and even after having surgery done - he still appears at all the show's and concerts that are scheduled - even if he has to sit on a stool most of the time. Even though he has to sit on a stool during his concerts - he still gets up and does some of the steps with the Group - and if he has to sit on the stool - he is one of the best "Stool Dancers" I have ever seen. He has taken quite a beating over his book - but so far -nobody else involved in the Group (even Family members) have not come forward with a book to show us a different side of the story - other than Genna Ruffin - and as much as she loved David - her book also showed us quite a bit of the down-side of David. I so hope Richard will come out with his book - and there has been talk that the Paul Williams Family will come out with a book also. If those books are ever published - I will read them with a open mind. Being a Woman - not too far behind Otis's age - I marvel everyday over the stamina this Man has. Please ask yourself - when the time comes in your life that you are the same age Otis is today - would you be able to carry out the heavy schedule Otis has? I am sure you will also marvel at Otis too! Thanks for allowing me to state my opinion (although I know my post will not be held in the highest regard). Once again - I have to applause Aba21 for standing up and posting his opinions - knowing full well - so many people will not agree. You gotta be kidding me? What did Otis correct,the name of the woman on Paul's lap? No,it is said that is Paul's wife...you don't think Otis knows Paul's wife?  Doesn't Otis add,or state something about having more to say now that Eddie and David are gone? Why couldn't he say whatever he had on his mind the first time around? Afraid? I get tired of people overblowing Otis' role in the group. So,we have something in common,we are tired! The crap in the first book is untrue,and the second one just adds on. In the first book he says Eddie did his job beautifully,only to turn around in the revised book to talk about his voice. My question,why didn't he sya that the first time out? Was he afraid Eddie was gonna whip his ass? Looks that way to me. NO class. I want someone to show me where I ever said Eddie,David,Dennis,or Paul never did anything wrong? You can't! Why should anyone give Otis credit for betraying his hall of fame gropumates? This,my dear is the double standard that you are talking about! :laughing |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 1, 2004 16:31:19 GMT -5
Aba21 - APPLAUSE - APPLAUSE on your posts in this thread. I give you MUCH CREDIT for standing up and posting up what your opinions and beliefs are - especially when so many people do not agree. I wish to say that I totally agree with your opinions and beliefs. I get so upset for the double standard people have about Otis - they feel that Otis was not the person who started the Group or was not the so-called Leader of the Group - but yet at the same time BLAME Otis for EVERY problem the Group has suffered - you can't have it both ways. People say that the information Otis put in his ORIGINAL BOOK was not the truth - but yet fail to give him credit for adding a chapter to his book - where he did correct some of the the things he wrote in the Original book. If you have read the added chapter to his book - it is quite understanding why he wrote the things he did in the Original book. For instance - he corrects in the added chapter of his book the way Melvin died. Melvin died a horrible death - and I feel the way he depicted Melvins death in the original book - he was trying to spare Melvin's true death to all of Melvin's fans - and also trying to spare how upset he was over the horrible death Melvin actually died of. For all the people who felt Otis depicted himself in the book as an "Angel" - please consider this: Otis did say in his book - that he too took drugs - drank - and did USE sex with Women who were both Famous and Women who were just fans - along with the rest of the Classic 5. As far as David being "Fired" from the Group- let us remind ourselves - that Otis did not jump up on his "Own" and say David would be "Fired" from the Group and then carried out HIS decision all on his own - there was a vote taken among the Classic 5 on that decision - and you know Berry Gordy had to have had a "Say" in that decision also. Face it - as much as I have MUCH RESPECT for the great "Talent" David had - he created quite a few problems for the Group. David was known not only to miss rehearsals - but would also miss "Show's And Concerts the Group had scheduled. Just like ANY JOB - if you have a habit of not showing up for work - or meetings retaining to your job - you will "Get Fired". In may cases - if the WHOLE Group did not appear for shows or concerts - the Group was not paid. If anybody found this to be a problem in whatever job they have - they would be just as upset. Imagine yourself trying to explain to your Family - "I have no pay to bring home for the work I have done - because so and so missed work and now myself - along with my co-workers have no pay to bring home". YOU WOULD BE LIVID! The feeling would be the same if it was another member of the Group other than David doing the same thing to the Group. Along with the Group suffering over this problem - so was Berry Gordy (not that I am a big fan of Berry Gordy -I have to also marvel at the Business Man he was - especially during that time) if the Group was suffering over not getting paid - Berry Gordy ALSO was not getting paid - after him putting out the money for the Group to travel, etc. David felt justified to allow his head to swell so big - to demand the Group change their name to "David Ruffin & The Temptations". Once again - if you worked with David (or somebody who had the same attitude that David had) you would not want to work with this person - especially if they were costing you your paycheck. I also get tired of people not giving Otis the justice and credit he deserves in regards to his MANY YEARS of continuing to perform and continuing to cut new songs. This Man continues to perform with a full concert schedule every year - even though he is in his 60's. Even while he has had major problems with his knee or knee's and even after having surgery done - he still appears at all the show's and concerts that are scheduled - even if he has to sit on a stool most of the time. Even though he has to sit on a stool during his concerts - he still gets up and does some of the steps with the Group - and if he has to sit on the stool - he is one of the best "Stool Dancers" I have ever seen. He has taken quite a beating over his book - but so far -nobody else involved in the Group (even Family members) have not come forward with a book to show us a different side of the story - other than Genna Ruffin - and as much as she loved David - her book also showed us quite a bit of the down-side of David. I so hope Richard will come out with his book - and there has been talk that the Paul Williams Family will come out with a book also. If those books are ever published - I will read them with a open mind. Being a Woman - not too far behind Otis's age - I marvel everyday over the stamina this Man has. Please ask yourself - when the time comes in your life that you are the same age Otis is today - would you be able to carry out the heavy schedule Otis has? I am sure you will also marvel at Otis too! Thanks for allowing me to state my opinion (although I know my post will not be held in the highest regard). Once again - I have to applause Aba21 for standing up and posting his opinions - knowing full well - so many people will not agree. Have you ever attended a show that David was not there and was supposed to be? What about missing recording sessions? |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 1, 2004 17:04:02 GMT -5
Blind Loyalty? I know you can't be referring to me because if anything my loyalty to all of them speaks for itself. And when I make a comment it is usually in response to something someone else said. I don't need to prove my position, cause I'm comfortable where I sit. I have not disputed one thing you have said in regards to the story because it is not of the story I speak......I continually get thrown back in the mix when I am merely trying to find a way to get us all out of it. If saying something good about Otis makes everyone upset then that's too bad cause the man is not a monster like he is sometimes portrayed around here. To be truthful, he *is* the most impotant Temptation now. It wasn't always and he didn't say he was unless you have something to show me he said he was. This is all based on how you view his actions. I see it differently. I see a man trying to save himself with not nearly the compassion and regard for others who didn't see it his way. His faults and misdeeds have been bandied about on many threads for the past few months and if I read something that says he was at fault for something I know he wasn't, then I'm gonna speak up. If someone says something that they don't prefice with *IN MY OPINION*, I INTEND to challenge it. If they don't need you to speak for them...then don't. I don't speak for anyone but me. People get hurt more by people who say things and don't know what they're talking about than in any other way. All I want to see is this whole thing brought to a close and to move into an area in which a more positive spin on the Temptations can be discussed.............They have a new cd coming out in June and all ready without even hearing the thing people are talking about what it is and what it isn't......wait until you hear it before you comment.......one song don't make a cd for me and I will reserve judgement until I get to hear the whole thing.....To get back to the point.................I don't see anything that Otis did that has a darn thing to do with David suing Motown!!!!!!!!!! As far as the cd goes,that's what I said the first time 50/50 was heard on the board. As far as the blind loyalty goes,I never thought that you were talking to me,and if you were I didn't take it as such,why are you? I just asked a question to get a better understanding of just what you meant. Nobody needs to prove a position,where are you going with that? You say "his faults have been brandied about on many threads the past few months". That's better than on bookshelves,and tv screens around the world. Doesn't that reach more households that the threads that you speak of? Not to mention liner notes of cd's. I think that's a bit much,don't you? Let me make this clear...I speak when I want to.Just like you,or anyone else...so why say something like "if they don't need you to speak for them,don't" I'm not speaking for anyone other than myself,and won't allow anyone to speak for me.If not liking the smear tactics that Otis used in the portrayal of his groupmates upsets people then too bad,David,Eddie,Dennis & Paul were not the egotistical monsters that Otis wants everyone to believe! I go back to the sixties,too. I've had conversations with members of the group,too...more than one,this ain't no contest.To me,if you truly want to get past this,you have a couple of choices...either discuss and LISTEN with an open mind,or just don't bring it up at all! Whenever I see the double standard...I will speak out! Whenever the air of negativity circulates,I will spray the air freshner called TRUTH! I don't mind a response,but don't act like a response won't come back at you. You must realize I have a right to speak on things I don't like ,just like anybody else on this board. And,I have no trouble exercising those rights,just like I have no problem in you doing the same! |
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Post by Davidfan on Jun 2, 2004 16:41:55 GMT -5
Nobody ever said that it did. The only thing was said is that Bobby Womack turned David on to drugs. Who can say that he didn't. In some people's view,that is holding the person responsible that started David on drugs. You can't say that's not right because DUI laws were founded on those beliefs. A bartender does not hold a gun to a person's head to take a drink,but if that person has too much to drink,and their last known whereabouts was the bar....guess who's going down if something happens to the person that's drinking? The Bar that gave him the drink!That's the Law Of The Land,weather we like it,or understand! ![]() temptsinfo.com/smilies/wtg.gif![]() Someone had to introduce it to him, and keep it coming to him ... Just to start it ... It all went on it's own after awhile ... David's choice to keep doing it after it was introduced ... But the fact is IT WAS INTRODUCED ... David did not find some white powder on the ground and say "WHAT'S THIS?" and start sniffin' .... It was brought to him ... same as mike's bartender analogy ... The bartender doesn't FORCE you to drink But he does bring you something that distorts your senses ... Only differance ... I don't think David Asked for cocaine the way a bartender gets asked for a beer ;D |
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Post by Temptress on Jun 2, 2004 19:34:51 GMT -5
People, People, People. The fact is these guys weren't perfect. None of them. We love them for the music that they left behind and the music they are making now. Who cares what they did in their personal lives?They made mistakes and choices good and bad. I've heard the stories true or false. I still love the Classic Five. All five. There is nothing Otis said in his book or the movie to make me dislike these guys.
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Post by Debbie on Jun 3, 2004 14:36:51 GMT -5
Thanks Aba21 for replying to my post.
Also thanks thetemptress for the post you made - I thought it was a great post!
MikeNYC - I knew my post would draw a reply post from you. Seems to me - we have disagreed with every post I have made. We all have our own opinions and beliefs - and we are certainly entitled to them.
You have a great knowledge of the Tempt's and I more than respect that.
I am sure we could sit and argue forever on this subject. I would like to stay away from that - IF POSSIBLE!
Trying not to argue with you - I really stand behind the part of my post where I remark how great it is that Otis continues to have the "Stamina" that he does to continue to carry out the heavy schedule he has - for someone his age.
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Post by zebop on Jun 3, 2004 15:13:12 GMT -5
I really don't know how David's drug use got into discussion except for to contrast that issue to the suing Motown issue and what really was behind the problems in Ruffin's career. As for Bobby Womack introducing Ruffin to cocaine, I don't care---at all. It's not even worthy of further exploration or a Cold Case flashback to find out if it's really true. Drugs were and are certainly prevalent in the music business at that time. Good lord, cocaine was all but a from of currency for some.
Frankly I think the issue of David suing Motown is most important thing. If it's examined, I think it's the matter of being on Berry Gordy's S list certainly impacted Ruffin's career and others.
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