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Post by Aba21 on Jun 17, 2004 13:01:21 GMT -5
............and I'm not reading your comments thinking that you don't like David Ruffin. I believe that as an adult you are responsible for yourself............if you let someone lead you down the wrong path, it's still your fault. You were supossedly taught to know better.
Gladys Knight and the Four Tops were seasoned performers before they came to Motown and knew the business. So I wouldn't put them in the same catgory as David Ruffin. THey came and signed a deal and when that deal was up they left. No options no nothing. David had a contract with Motown separate from the Temptations and that is why Berry still had the noose around his neck. Know that before hand, what made him think he could just not perform? Like someone said about Prince...........his troubles were with the label but he didn't blame the fans for his problems and continued to show up and do his shows until such time as he had found a loophole to get out of his deal. I wonder if that was an option for David or did his impatience with the situation make him do something impetuous.
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Post by kim on Jun 17, 2004 14:55:09 GMT -5
Didn't David sign on as a solo artist with Motown? So I guess naturally he would have had a contract seperate from the group. I'm sure I would have been impatient too if I was waiting for my contract to expire but in the mean time I would hope that I wouldn't let my actions jeopardize my career. I read Gladys' book and even though Berry treated her and the Pips like the milk man's baby at a family reunion they still performed when they were scheduled to do so and they kept plugging away. Infact she and the others who were not the "supergroups/artist" at Motown formed a close bond with one another. One time they were on the same billing as Diana and The Supremes and GK and The Pips they got a better audience response than DR they were pulled from the tour. This might have made them bitter but they kept going.
David could have rode the wave but he didn't. Questioning accounting practices and royalty payments is right, but allowing thisand other vices to get in the way of performing recording, practicing isn't. David should have done a better job in this regard.
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 17, 2004 16:42:30 GMT -5
Didn't David sign on as a solo artist with Motown? So I guess naturally he would have had a contract seperate from the group. I'm sure I would have been impatient too if I was waiting for my contract to expire but in the mean time I would hope that I wouldn't let my actions jeopardize my career. I read Gladys' book and even though Berry treated her and the Pips like the milk man's baby at a family reunion they still performed when they were scheduled to do so and they kept plugging away. Infact she and the others who were not the "supergroups/artist" at Motown formed a close bond with one another. One time they were on the same billing as Diana and The Supremes and GK and The Pips they got a better audience response than DR they were pulled from the tour. This might have made them bitter but they kept going. David could have rode the wave but he didn't. Questioning accounting practices and royalty payments is right, but allowing thisand other vices to get in the way of performing recording, practicing isn't. David should have done a better job in this regard. I'm glad David didn't kiss ass. He did the right thing. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 17, 2004 16:43:34 GMT -5
Didn't David sign on as a solo artist with Motown? So I guess naturally he would have had a contract seperate from the group. I'm sure I would have been impatient too if I was waiting for my contract to expire but in the mean time I would hope that I wouldn't let my actions jeopardize my career. I read Gladys' book and even though Berry treated her and the Pips like the milk man's baby at a family reunion they still performed when they were scheduled to do so and they kept plugging away. Infact she and the others who were not the "supergroups/artist" at Motown formed a close bond with one another. One time they were on the same billing as Diana and The Supremes and GK and The Pips they got a better audience response than DR they were pulled from the tour. This might have made them bitter but they kept going. David could have rode the wave but he didn't. Questioning accounting practices and royalty payments is right, but allowing thisand other vices to get in the way of performing recording, practicing isn't. David should have done a better job in this regard. I'm glad David didn't kiss ass. He did the right thing. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 17, 2004 16:51:37 GMT -5
Once again Otis, Berry, Diana, Bobby Womack, the grassy knoll, the white bronco, DNA, are blamed for David's demise. So David sued Motown and that's why his solo career didn't take off. Hmmmmmm........well why did Gladys and The Pips, The Four Tops, The Isley Brothers, Ashford and Simpson, The Jackson Five, (who had to change their name to The Jacksons because Motown kept the ownership of the name) and Diana Ross have a successful career after she left Motown. And please don't say it was because these people didn't sue Motown because Gladys and The Pips sued the label and Motown sued the J-5 to keep their name and Motown sued The Isley brothers to keep them on the label. David was responsible for his own actions. No one forced him to not show up to gigs breach his contract and untimately put the groups future in jeopardy. Everyone is well aware of the whole Prince situation with Warner Brothers he was unhappy with his contract but did he feel that his fans were to blame? Of course not he showed up to perform and performed well no matter what was going on behind the scenes. Blaming Bobby Womack for David's drug use is ridiculous too. Did Bobby hold a gun to David's head and tell him to star snorting or he will blow his brains out? I doubt it. Bobby damn sure is not perfect but David was a grown man who allowed his selfish desires overtake his common sense. Its no question that he was screwed royally by Motown but he wasn't the first nor the last to have this happen to them. David allowed himself to be played and he did this to himself no one else should be blamed for a grown man's actions that is of course unless David was mentally challenged which I don't believe he was. His actions were NOT to kiss ass. Nobody is blames any of the names you mentioned for anything other than the role they played. You can read into anything you want to,but you are wrong. Business was bad. Look around at Motown at the time. David was smart enough to notice what was going on.He would have been stupid to put up with it. Otis knows that. Anybody that was close to the group knew that,especially other artisis on the label. They know what I'm talking about. It's very easy for you to say these things from the outside looking in,but you have aLOT to learn. |
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Post by kim on Jun 17, 2004 17:12:29 GMT -5
Gladys didn't kiss ass, neither did the Four Tops, Isley Brothers, Jackson Five and they all didn't like what was going on with Motown. They all left Motown but while they were there they didn't jeopardize their fan base by playing the fool on the road because they were pissed with management. David made some dumbass choices plain and simple. He is no different from anyone else who makes stupid choices me included. The only difference is that I will own up to mine but people seem to think that David and the rest of the Temptations were victims most of their lives. Please they were grown men none were mentally challenged blaming someone for all of their downfalls and their demise is like saying they were spineless and had no ablility to think for themselves.
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Post by ZeldaFScott on Jun 17, 2004 19:54:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately, whether a choice was a "dumbass" one or a wise one shows only after we have made it ... Sometimes, it would have been smarter to follow the trodden path, sometimes a more radical approach would have proven more beneficial ... If we only knew before we make our choices ;D
And, frankly, I don't think anyone on this board tries to ascribe David Ruffin's downfall exclusively to "evil forces," but there is no doubt that bad friends, and unethical business tactics contributed to his misfortune.
" ... no man is an island ..." Each and everyone is connected to and influenced by others'.
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Post by Temptress on Jun 17, 2004 22:17:23 GMT -5
Unfortunately, whether a choice was a "dumbass" one or a wise one shows only after we have made it ... Sometimes, it would have been smarter to follow the trodden path, sometimes a more radical approach would have proven more beneficial ... If we only knew before we make our choices ;D And, frankly, I don't think anyone on this board tries to ascribe David Ruffin's downfall exclusively to "evil forces," but there is no doubt that bad friends, and unethical business tactics contributed to his misfortune. " ... no man is an island ..." Each and everyone is connected to and influenced by others'.  Well said Anna. David made the choice he felt he needed to at the time. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 17, 2004 22:42:06 GMT -5
You are an idiot plain and simple, and you made a dumbass choice disrepecting David Ruffin, you made yourself look like a fool. What's with you? You don't go calling people "IDIOTS" for speaking their mind. You need to stop it. It's not cute,nor will it be put up with!  PLAIN & SIMPLE ! |
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Post by Temptress on Jun 17, 2004 22:45:08 GMT -5
What's with you? You don't go calling people "IDIOTS" for speaking their mind. You need to stop it. It's not cute,nor will it be put up with! PLAIN & SIMPLE ! :nono It isn't nice to call people Idiots  |
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Post by kim on Jun 18, 2004 9:00:33 GMT -5
David made dumbass choices plain and simple <moded> David was a grown man he wasn't a god he made mistakes and he allowed outside interest to cloud the big picture.
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Post by kim on Jun 18, 2004 9:10:03 GMT -5
Bring up Sam Cooke's faults so what? Am I going to get offended no. He is not my Daddy he is a singer who made a helluva lot of mistakes from having children out of wedlock to ending up in a situation that ultimately cost him his life. He made some dumbass choices too. I live with it so you need to live with the dumbass choices that David made.
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Post by kim on Jun 18, 2004 9:12:29 GMT -5
Greatest singer of all time? I think not good singer maybe but greatest HELL NO! There are a helluva a lot of singers far greater than David back then and now. Get over it you can't change history David messed up big time on a lot of accounts he is no better or worse than any other entertainer that ran through money used drugs and ultimately ruined their lives in the end.
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