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Post by Aba21 on Jun 8, 2004 12:14:15 GMT -5
I agree, Ed -- one shouldn't believe the all bad as well as the all good portrayal of someone in the public. On the other hand, if many different sources, including interviews given by the person, underpin one's first impression of him/her, I don't pretend to be able to be impartial any longer. Sorry, if I am a flawed person myself because of such a behavior -- just can't help it ;D Then understand your guy has flaws as well. He made bad choices. I don't care if he missed shows cause he was mad at Berry or Otis or anybody. He was under contract to appear and he chose not to. He was not holding the winning cards....he overplayed his hand and it cost him. I don't think you're being asked to be impartail inasmuch as each is entitled to his or her own opinion but is your opinion David's downfall was caused by Otis, Berry, Bobby Womack and other various hangers-on? Well on that I disagree totally. THe David I understood, didn't let anybody tell him what to do. These people wanted to be around David and he wanted them there or trust me, they wouldn't have been there. He stood up to Berry when nobody else would and now you think some underlings caused his demise. That's not being impartial either. And you call Geena Sapia a credible source of information and TOny Turner not? Its all about who you choose to believe. So once again it comes down to my guy is perfect and your guy is a bum. If you leave the negative comments out of the equation you can have a meaningful conversation about the positive aspects of their lives which everybody claims to have on ther agenda in the first place. |
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Post by mcribs on Jun 8, 2004 12:43:11 GMT -5
I'm sure it surprises no one, Tim, that I agree with you. I think that giving Otis the credit/blame for David's problems gives him much more power and influence than he could have had at that time. Berry was still pretty much hands-on at Motown at that time and was, from what I have read, not inclined to take orders from anyone (except for Diana Ross)  . David was caught up in the same thing that gets many people who get very popular very fast, and it eventually caused his demise. And, Anna, there is nothing wrong with defending your guy. David was a very talented man, but he also had his faults. Just not the same ones as Otis. |
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Post by Elbridge on Jun 8, 2004 15:49:07 GMT -5
I defy you to find me the superstar entertainer that isn't tremendously flawed in one way or the other.
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Post by Temptress on Jun 8, 2004 18:32:51 GMT -5
I defy you to find me the superstar entertainer that isn't tremendously flawed in one way or the other. Ed Brittney Spears.LOL :laughing. Your right once again |
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Post by Davidfan on Jun 8, 2004 19:23:48 GMT -5
ROFL!! Like a dog with a bone.... It's "spelled", not "spelt" or, in this case, "Splet". LOL! Ed  ... Thanks ed ... Thank you  |
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Post by Elbridge on Jun 9, 2004 3:25:22 GMT -5
... Thanks ed ... Thank you LOL! I just couldn't help it, Brad. I'm only human... ;D Ed |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 9, 2004 14:02:25 GMT -5
Uh--Mike? Are you saying Otis is not a man? He is large, bald woman? WOW! You really are an insider!  That's your scoop. This does not interest me!  |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 9, 2004 14:04:29 GMT -5
Then understand your guy has flaws as well. He made bad choices. I don't care if he missed shows cause he was mad at Berry or Otis or anybody. He was under contract to appear and he chose not to. He was not holding the winning cards....he overplayed his hand and it cost him. I don't think you're being asked to be impartail inasmuch as each is entitled to his or her own opinion but is your opinion David's downfall was caused by Otis, Berry, Bobby Womack and other various hangers-on? Well on that I disagree totally. THe David I understood, didn't let anybody tell him what to do. These people wanted to be around David and he wanted them there or trust me, they wouldn't have been there. He stood up to Berry when nobody else would and now you think some underlings caused his demise. That's not being impartial either. And you call Geena Sapia a credible source of information and TOny Turner not? Its all about who you choose to believe. So once again it comes down to my guy is perfect and your guy is a bum. If you leave the negative comments out of the equation you can have a meaningful conversation about the positive aspects of their lives which everybody claims to have on ther agenda in the first place. You mean Otis has flaws? I knew that,but we are not supposed to talk about that. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 9, 2004 14:10:43 GMT -5
I don't think that anyone is holding Otis responsible for David's drug problems. Hell rumor has it David & Otis was using together! Big deal! Now ,that does not excuse the business part. Nobody put a gun to David's head to start taking drugs.Which none of you has any first-hand knowledge of him doing so,just like you have no first-hand knowledge of Paul's "problem".Nobody put a gun to Otis' head to undermine the group,and write that :bs: about his ex groupmates,who he still depends on to put food on the table.
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Post by mcribs on Jun 9, 2004 14:25:24 GMT -5
Mike--you are WAY too uptight! I was simply trying to inject a little levity into a conversation that was WAY too heavy. Some of the dialog on this Board may start out conversational and then it gets toxic after you start hyperventilating. You need to take a few yoga classes and CHILL! :comfort:
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 9, 2004 14:30:26 GMT -5
Mike--you are WAY too uptight! I was simply trying to inject a little levity into a conversation that was WAY too heavy. Some of the dialog on this Board may start out conversational and then it gets toxic after you start hyperventilating. You need to take a few yoga classes and CHILL!  Toxic kills POSION ! I start and finish telling the truth. You can call it what you wish! If I chill anymore,I'd be the ICEMAN! Trust me! |
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Post by Temptress on Jun 9, 2004 17:55:41 GMT -5
Mike--you are WAY too uptight! I was simply trying to inject a little levity into a conversation that was WAY too heavy. Some of the dialog on this Board may start out conversational and then it gets toxic after you start hyperventilating. You need to take a few yoga classes and CHILL! Mike I have to say I agree with you a little. Otis was telling his version of the story. HIS VERSION OF THE STORY. He did air Alot dirty laundry. Which wasn't COOL. But who would have wanted to read a book about Otis alone?   People write books about other peoples business All the time. |
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Post by Davidfan on Jun 10, 2004 18:45:25 GMT -5
LOL! I just couldn't help it, Brad. I'm only human... ;D Ed Well you're a funny human ... lol ... So keep it comin' ;D |
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Post by Davidfan on Jun 10, 2004 18:46:39 GMT -5
Mike--you are WAY too uptight! I was simply trying to inject a little levity into a conversation that was WAY too heavy. Some of the dialog on this Board may start out conversational and then it gets toxic after you start hyperventilating. You need to take a few yoga classes and CHILL! Well he isn't called the TRUTH MAN for nothing ... He's standin' up for something he feels strongly about ... Cut him a lil slack ;D |
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Post by kim on Jun 17, 2004 11:33:43 GMT -5
Once again Otis, Berry, Diana, Bobby Womack, the grassy knoll, the white bronco, DNA, are blamed for David's demise. So David sued Motown and that's why his solo career didn't take off. Hmmmmmm........well why did Gladys and The Pips, The Four Tops, The Isley Brothers, Ashford and Simpson, The Jackson Five, (who had to change their name to The Jacksons because Motown kept the ownership of the name) and Diana Ross have a successful career after she left Motown. And please don't say it was because these people didn't sue Motown because Gladys and The Pips sued the label and Motown sued the J-5 to keep their name and Motown sued The Isley brothers to keep them on the label.
David was responsible for his own actions. No one forced him to not show up to gigs breach his contract and untimately put the groups future in jeopardy. Everyone is well aware of the whole Prince situation with Warner Brothers he was unhappy with his contract but did he feel that his fans were to blame? Of course not he showed up to perform and performed well no matter what was going on behind the scenes. Blaming Bobby Womack for David's drug use is ridiculous too. Did Bobby hold a gun to David's head and tell him to star snorting or he will blow his brains out? I doubt it. Bobby damn sure is not perfect but David was a grown man who allowed his selfish desires overtake his common sense. Its no question that he was screwed royally by Motown but he wasn't the first nor the last to have this happen to them. David allowed himself to be played and he did this to himself no one else should be blamed for a grown man's actions that is of course unless David was mentally challenged which I don't believe he was.
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