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Post by janebse on May 24, 2004 23:03:28 GMT -5
I agree, ABA. Anything said or written by any person is always his/her view. It is impossible for it to be anything else. You and a sibling may have witnessed the same event in you childhood, but, and trust me on this, your individual interpretations and remembrances of that event will be quite different. It is a fact of human nature.
But all fans of the Temptations should be grateful for the book and the movie. It has made new generations aware of the Temptations and reminded previous generations of how great they truly were and are. In addition, it has also improved the livelihood of all, present and former, Temptations.
How anyone can not be grateful and thankful for what has helped all Temptations is beyond me.
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Post by MikeNYC on May 25, 2004 15:47:42 GMT -5
I think that pretty much is what even the Otis lovers have said....and that's it was his side of the story..........Eddie said it and so did David.........David was going to tell his side and would you have believed him more just because it was David.........will you believe Richard more because he was Richard or will he be villified cause he said he sang behind the curtain for Paul and that makes the Paul Lovers mad.........so who you gonna believe......what if Otis comes out and says that RIchard's book is full of crap.............it becomes a merry go round and so why make one more credible than the other.................I strill say no one was beating down the internet for Temptations sites before the freakin movie.................what's the big deal........it got us here didn't it............ That's because there were no sites before the movie.It's not like the movie made the Temptations by any means. Let Richard write a book,Glenn,Damon,Dennis,Woodson,all of them. So what if Otis says their books are crap,he says that their groups are crap,that don't stop nobody from seeing them,does it? What's the big deal? There is enough information out there to see who's telling the truth and who's NOT ! ;D |
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Post by ZeldaFScott on May 25, 2004 15:59:38 GMT -5
"David was going to tell his side and would you have believed him more just because it was David........." I sure would have!!!!  :laughing :laughing :laughing Seriously. I think with a healthy portion of common sense, it shouldn't be very hard to figure out what version of a story makes the most sense. I just happened to stumble over a sentence in O's book the other day that made me laugh out loud. It was so obvious that he tried very hard to present someone in a different light then she really was, that it was simply ludicrous ... So, if David's book, or Eddie's or anyone else's had shown similar attempts at covering up unpleasant facts, I would probably discard them as "unreliable" sources, too. |
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Post by MikeNYC on May 25, 2004 16:01:58 GMT -5
I agree, ABA. Anything said or written by any person is always his/her view. It is impossible for it to be anything else. You and a sibling may have witnessed the same event in you childhood, but, and trust me on this, your individual interpretations and remembrances of that event will be quite different. It is a fact of human nature. But all fans of the Temptations should be grateful for the book and the movie. It has made new generations aware of the Temptations and reminded previous generations of how great they truly were and are. In addition, it has also improved the livelihood of all, present and former, Temptations. How anyone can not be grateful and thankful for what has helped all Temptations is beyond me. I can tell you that I don't think that there is anything to be greatful,or thankful for about the book,or the movie.The both of them left a lot to be desired.One thing that I am thankful for is that I know better,and can show it. Most of the book & movie was crap,no two ways about it.As far as the book goes,no Motown people can tell you that Melvin was thrilled that Otis wrote the book. He never said anything in public about the book. And Mel was supposed to be Otis' "partner". Isn't that strange? Or does you blind following of Otis makes you tend to ignore that FACT? The families,Mamma Rose included ,don't share the same sense of gratitude that you do. Why? Because it's exploitation at it's best.Just like Melvin once said.."We've been exploited". Or,does that matter to you? Melvin went through a hell of alot to stand up there with Otis and endure the physical pain that he did,only to be exploited by his "partner"! I'm sorry,but to me...that sucks,shows no class and is just plain wrong! I can see why anyone who knows any better is NOT grateful for that work of CRAP that Otis put out. Because it ain't true! And Otis knows it,too bad you don't! |
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Post by ZeldaFScott on May 25, 2004 16:10:15 GMT -5
I disagree with jane in that the book did make the younger generation realize how great the Temptations were. In my opinion, it showed The Temptations as an accumulation of more or less "troubled" characters. The movie I don't even want to talk about! The objections of Tempts family members also speak volumes.
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Post by MikeNYC on May 25, 2004 16:13:47 GMT -5
I disagree with jane in that the book did make the younger generation realize how great the Temptations were. In my opinion, it showed The Temptations as an accumulation of more or less "troubled" characters. The movie I don't even want to talk about! The objections of Tempts family members also speak volumes. Just as long as the younger generation doesn't think that every word of the book is true,like Jane has said a few times...It's NOT true. It's crap! And, that's true! ;D |
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Post by Aba21 on May 25, 2004 16:48:06 GMT -5
That's my point in the first place.....I'm tired of the only one who did anything wrong was Otis......that's a bunch of crap too................and since we don't have any versions from anyone else we can't assume what the heck they were *gonna* write or say.....I know you were being funny, Anna when you said you would believe it just cause David said it, but that is just the kind of blind loyalty that I'm talking about..Many people refuse to believe that any of them ever did any wrong...Their probelms were widley known before the book and the movie.....and the book and the movie didn't define who or what they were except to the johnnie come lately folks who didn't know better before. What the book and movie did was bring a new generation of fans to the group, like it or not....If they choose to ask me what I thought about it I will tell them and hope that they would research even further into it.....and it was the reason I joined this board......I think I have a little bit of history with this group and I was affected by what I saw and read even though I know the difference.............For that reason alone it was good...........you can break it down and disect it all night and day but the affect it has had on so many, including many people around here can never be measured..............It matters not why they are here...they just are..............it only matters to those who know more than the movie and book about the contents of them. You are never going to change the minds of worshippers because they are blinded not by the truth but by their own vision and what they wished would have happened.......they want to absolve their favorite of any wrongdoing and find somewhere else to place it....even when they find out their favorite was less than perfect........human even............So the argument rages on....to no ending......................
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Post by MikeNYC on May 25, 2004 19:14:33 GMT -5
That's my point in the first place.....I'm tired of the only one who did anything wrong was Otis......that's a bunch of crap too................and since we don't have any versions from anyone else we can't assume what the heck they were *gonna* write or say.....I know you were being funny, Anna when you said you would believe it just cause David said it, but that is just the kind of blind loyalty that I'm talking about..Many people refuse to believe that any of them ever did any wrong...Their probelms were widley known before the book and the movie.....and the book and the movie didn't define who or what they were except to the johnnie come lately folks who didn't know better before. What the book and movie did was bring a new generation of fans to the group, like it or not....If they choose to ask me what I thought about it I will tell them and hope that they would research even further into it.....and it was the reason I joined this board......I think I have a little bit of history with this group and I was affected by what I saw and read even though I know the difference.............For that reason alone it was good...........you can break it down and disect it all night and day but the affect it has had on so many, including many people around here can never be measured..............It matters not why they are here...they just are..............it only matters to those who know more than the movie and book about the contents of them. You are never going to change the minds of worshippers because they are blinded not by the truth but by their own vision and what they wished would have happened.......they want to absolve their favorite of any wrongdoing and find somewhere else to place it....even when they find out their favorite was less than perfect........human even............So the argument rages on....to no ending...................... What's the sense in misleading the next generation into believing that junk? Tell them the truth. Who don't have different versions? We have interviews that will tell you what was on the other's mind.Plus,what gave Otis the right to tell the other's "wrongdoings"? This is NOT blind loyalty but the truth. No favorites,here. The only one who didn't tell of their wrongdoings was....Otis! Nobody ever claimed any member of the group to be anywhere near perfect. I have history too. I have heard things that thanks to my history..I know is not true.Seems like nobody wants to say,or notice why Melvin was silent in HIS opinion of the book,WHY? Is this the blind devotion that you speak on? When a question,and a GOOD question is asked,it's easier to IGNORE than to ADDRESS? When facts are brought up,people clam up? My "favorites" are the HOF6. Never mind a picture that you see,make no mistake that my "favorites are the HOF6,and I was saddended to read the mess Otis wrote and left himself out. I was more saddended to read and see how Paul was portrayed. I've said it before,and will say it again...Otis should have been ashamed of himself to write about Paul like that. Paul was not alive to defend himself. Every thing was NOT common knowledge about Paul and still...nobody has offered any proof to weather the man had the "problems" that Otis claimed. It was not said before the trash of a book came out,and if it was said after..it was "according to Otis Williams". TRASH at it's best. No worshiping,just the TRUTH ! |
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Post by kalisa2 on May 25, 2004 20:01:43 GMT -5
Seems like nobody wants to say,or notice why Melvin was silent in HIS opinion of the book,WHY? Is this the blind devotion that you speak on? When a question,and a GOOD question is asked,it's easier to IGNORE than to ADDRESS? ! Mike...you keep bringing this question of Melvin up. The reason it hasn't been answered is because no one here KNOWS for sure why he was silent about the book. Or if they know they don't care to share. Do you know the answer? If you do, please inform us. Without anything solid all any of us can do is surmise possibilities, and thats all it would be, opinions and assumptions that may eventually be engraved in someone's mind as fact when it can't be fact without Melvin saying so...which he DID NOT, at least not in public. And that's not to say it isn't a good question. If he loved Paul so much like he said he did, and if what Otis wrote about Paul was so false, why didn't Melvin go on record to correct the image of his departed loved one? Because he (Melvin) had a 'more pleasing personality'? ;D |
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Post by ZeldaFScott on May 25, 2004 21:44:05 GMT -5
Well Kalisa, in order not to ride the "personality" horse to death, I would say, Melvin was simply smart enough not to get into a he said/he said situation with Big O. And in his own words (see Aba quoting Melvin) Melvin managed to describe even such a difficult person as David in quite positive words. In my opinion, Melvin was intelligent enough not to create even more controversy about his friends' life by starting a public discussion. In my opinion, he was right in doing so. He most likely knew O. better than anyone else.
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Post by Aba21 on May 25, 2004 21:46:35 GMT -5
What's the sense in misleading the next generation into believing that junk? Tell them the truth. Who don't have different versions? We have interviews that will tell you what was on the other's mind.Plus,what gave Otis the right to tell the other's "wrongdoings"? This is NOT blind loyalty but the truth. No favorites,here. The only one who didn't tell of their wrongdoings was....Otis! Nobody ever claimed any member of the group to be anywhere near perfect. I have history too. I have heard things that thanks to my history..I know is not true.Seems like nobody wants to say,or notice why Melvin was silent in HIS opinion of the book,WHY? Is this the blind devotion that you speak on? When a question,and a GOOD question is asked,it's easier to IGNORE than to ADDRESS? When facts are brought up,people clam up? My "favorites" are the HOF6. Never mind a picture that you see,make no mistake that my "favorites are the HOF6,and I was saddended to read the mess Otis wrote and left himself out. I was more saddended to read and see how Paul was portrayed. I've said it before,and will say it again...Otis should have been ashamed of himself to write about Paul like that. Paul was not alive to defend himself. Every thing was NOT common knowledge about Paul and still...nobody has offered any proof to weather the man had the "problems" that Otis claimed. It was not said before the trash of a book came out,and if it was said after..it was "according to Otis Williams". TRASH at it's best. No worshiping,just the TRUTH ! who's misleading them.......I'm not........and that's not true that some of the things we know about Paul were not common knowledge before Otis book........it is because he put his name to it that all the accusations have come forth.....He wasn't the first to say it although he was the first one in the group to write it....my point was the book and movie brought poeple here...I don't care whether it was the truth or not....it brought people here and that can't be denied.......I have not made it my crusade to make sure everybody knows the truth....what are they going to do with it anyway........what brought them here was the music and finding out more about these incredible men....if along the way they find out something they didn't know....great.....if it was something that disturbs them about one of the men then research it and find out what you can..................that's what a person with common sense will do....not take Otis word, your word, my word or anybody eles's word...........find out for yourself........I will not stand here and say everything Otis wrote was a lie and everything Eddie, David and Paul said was true......not happening..........Melvin must have had his reasons for not saying anything but why does it have to be because he believed something was wrong.................he didn't comment on anything that was good or bad....we don't know that Otis didn't ask him to contribute and he said no........or maybe Otis just didn't ask him at all..............so many things unspoken and why do they all have to be negative.........and while we are at it............I still say the family of any of them never sang.........didn't travel........didn't rehearse or go through any of the trials and tribulations they went throug d if they were told something......they only have the one side.......my history only gives me the ability to read something and absorb its contents........I'm not here to judge...............can't change anything and wouldn't if I could.........How many times are we gonna say Otis didn't have the right to tell the others story before we go on to the next item on the agenda..............is it because there is no next item? |
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Post by kalisa2 on May 25, 2004 21:52:55 GMT -5
Well Kalisa, in order not to ride the "personality" horse to death, I would say, Melvin was simply smart enough not to get into a he said/he said situation with Big O. And in his own words (see Aba quoting Melvin) Melvin managed to describe even such a difficult person as David in quite positive words. In my opinion, Melvin was intelligent enough not to create even more controversy about his friends' life by starting a public discussion. In my opinion, he was right in doing so. He most likely knew O. better than anyone else. And its all opinion, your opinion. Maybe Melvin didn't see anything false in the book to protest about. That's a valid opinion also. |
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Post by ZeldaFScott on May 25, 2004 21:57:44 GMT -5
And its all opinion, your opinion. Maybe Melvin didn't see anything false in the book to protest about. That's a valid opinion also. Of course. That's also possible. |
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Post by Aba21 on May 27, 2004 15:58:11 GMT -5
But of course since we deal mostly with the negative around here, it would be put in that context first. I never heard Melvin say anthing good about the book nor did I ever hear him say anything bad. I wouldn't begin to try to put words in his mouth, would you?
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Post by ZeldaFScott on May 27, 2004 17:09:36 GMT -5
Aba, now I have to say it: your focus on avoiding negativity is somehow smacking of thought control ...
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