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Post by curet30 on Sept 16, 2004 8:59:11 GMT -5
Okay,but Earl would not go out of his way to make you look bad. He wouldn't write a book and put a picture of you with a drink in your hand and a unidentified woman on your lap with her garders showing. I'm not saying that you live like that,but how would you feel if you saw a photo of you like that? How would your family feel? How would your family feel about it if you were not able to defend yourself like Paul wasn't? I don't see why y'all don't get it. That's where the "HATE" comnes in,not for Otis but for his deeds. Like I'm sure Earl Lewis would not exploit you like that,why Michael Ray,or Super John was not exploited by Aba,or them exploiting him for the sake of telling about the Nets championship years. What you did while offstage has nothing to do with the story,and what Aba did off the court has nothing to do with the Nets championship...what Paul did offstage has nothing to do with the Temptations. Would y'all be so "Loving" towards the author of a book telling your alledged activities? When y'all go home and look at the hurt on your loved ones face,maybe you will identify! Again,I am not implying that y'all led your lives in that manner. I don't care if you did. I would want to know about things that were important to the story....that story being one of the TEAM,or GROUP that you are in. Why you keep wanting to turn this into a "HATE" thing is really beyond me. I'm above that. I can point out how wrong it is without "Hate" towards the person. I can't let y'all twist what I say as HATE. That's just plain untrue. I hate the deed,not the person. I can't speak for anyone else but myself. I don't have to lie about it. But just think about all this HATE talk. Also think about how all of a sudden it's not a hate thing when directed towards the other members of the group. Anything goes as far as that. And truth be told...that amazes me. Mike, I agree about the photo... when I purchased the book in 1988 I was embarrassed for the Williams family after seeing that photo. However I'm talking about the article that was posted on this thread and how there is much disgusts towards a man who is telling the story of the Temptations; without the personal details. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 16, 2004 9:13:26 GMT -5
Who was more talented than Paul? I hope your not saying Otis is more talented than Paul.  Not even close Well, considering that Otis isn't even mentioned in that sentence, no, I'm pretty sure I'm not talking about Paul. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 16, 2004 9:14:58 GMT -5
You made it sound like you were saying that Otis never said anything unkind about "the guys" in the group. No, I didn't. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 16, 2004 9:16:34 GMT -5
Do you think Otis would have made a solo career? I think not!  See, prime example. WHat does that have to do with anything? None of us are making the case that Otis has the vocal talent needed to launch a solo career. Heck, Otis wouldn't even say that. So why are you making a joke about it? That's not getting us anywhere. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 16, 2004 9:18:44 GMT -5
This is the post you wrote.. Where does it say an unkind word about us or fans? Sounds to me like the guys. Namely, Paul Eddie David and Mel Again, I think you're reading into my post what you want it to say. For me to say "Otis never said an unkind word about any of the other members of the group" is absurd. Why would I say that? |
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Post by MissTara on Sept 16, 2004 9:28:27 GMT -5
Now, here we have Otis, a man who apparently sang well enough for the greatest (Melvin, David, Eddie and Paul) to choose to sing along side of and yet we continually have people who like to build themselves up by putting the man down. A man who has never said an unkind word about any of them. The words speak for themselves |
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Post by kalisa2 on Sept 16, 2004 9:32:43 GMT -5
The one sentence seems to me to flow into the next, talking about people who constantly degrade Otis. This would not apply to any of his groupmates (dead or alive), who I have never heard say anything particularly anti-Otis.
JMO, the way I read the whole start of this.
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Post by MissTara on Sept 16, 2004 9:36:15 GMT -5
The one sentence seems to me to flow into the next, talking about people who constantly degrade Otis. This would not apply to any of his groupmates (dead or alive), who I have never heard say anything particularly anti-Otis. JMO, the way I read the whole start of this. Well include the other sentence before that. I know I'm not the only one |
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Post by Debbie on Sept 16, 2004 9:56:27 GMT -5
First off - the Group came together - such as they are - and became one of the greatest Groups of all time - if not the Greatest. That is what has brought us all here to begin with. We can all speculate on "What If's" - "Could Haves" and "Should Haves". But when it is all said and done - it still comes around to the Classic 5 - as they were.
Otis is a back-up singer - not a lead singer (big difference) and Otis has never proclaimed to be anything else. When I listen to their music - and see them in person - I do not hear anybody singing off-key. Otis may not be the best dancer of the Group - but the Man holds his own very well.
This Man is now in his 60's - and STILL continues to pack the house with tickets that cost a pretty penny. This Man in his 60's STILL has one of the heavist tour schedules of any Group out there. He has done this for more years than most of us are old. If nothing else - this Man deserves RESPECT for his accomplishments and being able to continue to do so at the age that he is.
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Post by MissTara on Sept 16, 2004 10:01:14 GMT -5
First off - the Group came together - such as they are - and became one of the greatest Groups of all time - if not the Greatest. That is what has brought us all here to begin with. We can all speculate on "What If's" - "Could Haves" and "Should Haves". But when it is all said and done - it still comes around to the Classic 5 - as they were. Otis is a back-up singer - not a lead singer (big difference) and Otis has never proclaimed to be anything else. When I listen to their music - and see them in person - I do not hear anybody singing off-key. Otis may not be the best dancer of the Group - but the Man holds his own very well. This Man is now in his 60's - and STILL continues to pack the house with tickets that cost a pretty penny. This Man in his 60's STILL has one of the heavist tour schedules of any Group out there. He has done this for more years than most of us are old. If nothing else - this Man deserves RESPECT for his accomplishments and being able to continue to do so at the age that he is. I definately respect that. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 16, 2004 10:11:12 GMT -5
Well, the fact of the matter is that's not what I meant. Now my meaning should be crystal clear. Perhaps now we could move on to WHY that is the case? (Fans who's pasttime is hating on Otis when he's never come on here and said an unkind thing about any of them.)
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Post by ritar on Sept 16, 2004 10:17:43 GMT -5
Debbie that is so true about Otis being in his sixties and still doing his thing.I have so much respect for him and Dennis for that alone regardless, as to how I feel about him as a buisness man.The fact that him and Dennis at their age and weight becuse Otis is not a small man himself can perform like they do each and every night has to be hard work and those two cats keep going and going .That is good enough for me hell I just hope to live to be their age.
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 16, 2004 10:31:21 GMT -5
Seeing how Eddie's solo career went I would say Yes,they would have been able to get a Motown contract without Otis & Mel. Eddie's solo career was a direct result of his work with the Temptations. His clout got him good writers and producers so he could start out on top. He didn't have to sell anyone on his talent. It was all ready a proven commodity. |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 16, 2004 10:35:04 GMT -5
And that says more about my point in itself. Eddie and Paul could have gotten it by themselves, but maybe (because I don't know) they didn't know the same people Otis and them did. Think about it, if you wanted to make it as an entertainer, singer, whatever, you'd stick beside someone who "knew" people right? And the only reason I say he is a good business man, is because like I said before, he's a born leader, Knows what people want, and would do anything to get it Many look at the doing anything to get it as a bad thing and hurtful to his groupmates..but if you were in Otis shoes and this is all you had, all you could do, no formal education, you would do the same thing. I fully agree on all the things about Paul and Eddie but motivation to do the little things comes hard for stars. They usually have someone else do them for them, ie Otis Williams. It wasn't until Eddie went solo that he took control of his career like we all knew he could. |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 16, 2004 10:37:20 GMT -5
I guess thats the only positive thing I have to say about him. And, thats' it And that's fine.you explained your point withpout calling him names or accusing him of ending the group or anything else. That's all it takes. I sometimes find it hard to ubnderstand how people can be so passionately mad at someone they don't even know.  |
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