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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 15, 2004 12:29:54 GMT -5
Seeing how Eddie's solo career went I would say Yes,they would have been able to get a Motown contract without Otis & Mel.
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Post by MissTara on Sept 15, 2004 12:36:30 GMT -5
Seeing how Eddie's solo career went I would say Yes,they would have been able to get a Motown contract without Otis & Mel. Thank you  |
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Post by MissTara on Sept 15, 2004 12:40:18 GMT -5
I agree with both of your assessments. THey needed each other to make it work. They all had some talent in some area. Otis appeared to be the hustler in the group in terms of seeking out people to get a contract. We all know they wouldn't have gotten that contract with Motown without Eddie and Paul but would Eddie and & Paul have the ability to go in there and find Berry Gordy and do what ti takes to put their own gorup together.? That we don't know. So in my eyes they all needed each other for something. I'm very interested in what you say about Otis being a good businessnman/entertainer. You are not a fan of his, yet you think he does those two jobs well. You are one of the first I have heard on here say that. Most say he can't do anything at all. And that says more about my point in itself. Eddie and Paul could have gotten it by themselves, but maybe (because I don't know) they didn't know the same people Otis and them did. Think about it, if you wanted to make it as an entertainer, singer, whatever, you'd stick beside someone who "knew" people right? And the only reason I say he is a good business man, is because like I said before, he's a born leader, Knows what people want, and would do anything to get it |
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Post by MissTara on Sept 15, 2004 12:42:41 GMT -5
I guess thats the only positive thing I have to say about him. And, thats' it
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Post by brunneng on Sept 15, 2004 19:58:18 GMT -5
I guess thats the only positive thing I have to say about him. And, thats' it I think it was a combo of the 5 part group sound and Otis showing leadership...getting out and selling it. Voice-wise, Otis was the weakest, but he seemed to have the drive, and the willingness to "go for it", in many ways.   ...I say to myself, you're such a lucky guy... |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 15, 2004 20:21:13 GMT -5
guess I owe you a dollar because I've never heard him saying anything negative about fans And "theh ya go!" ![]() temptsinfo.com/smilies/wtg.gif![]() Maybe now you can see why it irks me so much. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 15, 2004 20:22:06 GMT -5
Come to think of it,Miss Tara,Eddie,Paul,David,Melvin,nor Dennis ever said anything negaitve about anyone on this board.....keep your dollar. When they join the board,then pay her.  And yet another post having absolutely nothing to do w/my point. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 15, 2004 20:26:36 GMT -5
Do you think Eddie and Paul could have gotten that contract without Otis and Mel <~~  Absolutely! So then that brings up back to the age old question ............. if they could, then why didn't they? I agree with you that Blu and O could not have done it by themselves. But I don't think Eddie, David Blu, or Paul's talent alone could have gotten the success they had any more than O's business skills did. They needed each other. That's what made them so great. They each brought something to the group that, when combined, made them the greatest vocal group in the history of mankind. And just out of curiosity, are you grouping Melvin with Otis just because he was WITH Otis? Surely you're not discounting his talent? Melvin was just as talented as David, Eddie and Paul. (I would say that vocally, he was more talented than Paul, what Paul had going for him was the total package, but that goes without saying.) |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 15, 2004 20:31:56 GMT -5
Seeing how Eddie's solo career went I would say Yes,they would have been able to get a Motown contract without Otis & Mel. I'm sorry. I was under the assumption (guess I've seen the movie too many times) that Eddie's solo career tanked by the time the 80s rolled around. What they were able to do speaks to the talent they have/had. Eddie and David were able to fill seats all over the world without the backing of a major record lable because they had the talent to draw the crowds, same with Dennis. Otis is able to fill seats, win awards and accolades because he knows how to run his business despite losing three of the greatest vocalist of our time. It was only TOGETHER that they were great. Like chocolate and peanut butter. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 15, 2004 20:34:43 GMT -5
And that says more about my point in itself. Eddie and Paul could have gotten it by themselves, but maybe (because I don't know) they didn't know the same people Otis and them did. Come on now ................ how big was the "scene" they were running around in back then? There were too many people LOOKING for talent to totally miss such great vocalist like them. Just 'cause they were out of towners, they couldn't ASK someone where West Grand blvd. was? |
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Post by MissTara on Sept 16, 2004 7:42:02 GMT -5
So then that brings up back to the age old question ............. if they could, then why didn't they? I agree with you that Blu and O could not have done it by themselves. But I don't think Eddie, David Blu, or Paul's talent alone could have gotten the success they had any more than O's business skills did. They needed each other. That's what made them so great. They each brought something to the group that, when combined, made them the greatest vocal group in the history of mankind. And just out of curiosity, are you grouping Melvin with Otis just because he was WITH Otis? Surely you're not discounting his talent? Melvin was just as talented as David, Eddie and Paul. (I would say that vocally, he was more talented than Paul, what Paul had going for him was the total package, but that goes without saying.) Why didn't they? Ask them when you get to heaven. I don't know. But they could have! And I was only grouping Mel with Otis because thats the way it was. I'm not saying Mel was discounted as far as talent. Thats why I put the in love face beside Mel..He was great too. Otis was very fortunate to have him by his side. Who was more talented than Paul? I hope your not saying Otis is more talented than Paul. :nono Not even close |
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Post by MissTara on Sept 16, 2004 8:40:21 GMT -5
And "theh ya go!"  Maybe now you can see why it irks me so much. You made it sound like you were saying that Otis never said anything unkind about "the guys" in the group. I didn't know you were referring to "us" |
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Post by MissTara on Sept 16, 2004 8:43:07 GMT -5
And yet another post having absolutely nothing to do w/my point. I think he took it the same way I did |
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Post by MissTara on Sept 16, 2004 8:44:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry. I was under the assumption (guess I've seen the movie too many times) that Eddie's solo career tanked by the time the 80s rolled around. I think he is referring to the fact that Eddie had a solo career. Do you think Otis would have made a solo career? I think not!  |
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Post by MissTara on Sept 16, 2004 8:49:40 GMT -5
Now, here we have Otis, a man who apparently sang well enough for the greatest (Melvin, David, Eddie and Paul) to choose to sing along side of and yet we continually have people who like to build themselves up by putting the man down. A man who has never said an unkind word about any of them. This is the post you wrote.. Where does it say an unkind word about us or fans? Sounds to me like the guys. Namely, Paul Eddie David and Mel |
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