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Post by Aba21 on Sept 14, 2004 14:41:47 GMT -5
Because they felt sorry for him,that's why they sang with him,or allowed him to sing with them. Your questions have been answered by me long ago both on the board and one on one conversations...you forget? I love the way Otis sings "This Guy's In Love With You on the Talk Of The Town. He has good lines on You Make Your Own Heaven Hell Right Here On Earth,his touch on Masterpiece. But as far as Otis being the key to the harmony...please...don't hand me that BS. The notion that he does multiple parts in the background is also a farce. You don't hear that at all. Listen to Get Ready,where is he? Listen to the harmonies on Live At The Copa,you don't hear that there . Otis has a distinctive voice that can be heard on My Girl,Cloud Nine,but in his natural range. Not covering Eddie. Now on All I Need,you can hear Otis up there,but Eddie's right there with him. One rare occasion when Otis can be heard above the rest. The key to the harmony was Eddie & Melvin. Not Otis. I had suggested that Otis would be good at some barbershop quartet-style song...him singing lead. So,please don't try to tell me that I never gave the man his props as far as singing goes. That's disrespecting me. I know that's not your intent,but don't tell me I can't separate Otis the entertainer,from Otis the business man/author/excutive movie producer. That's simply not true. The question was not directed to you, Mike. And I didn't say you couldn't tell. But I will say that's a crock of S&*T that they sang with him because they felt sorry for him. You got to do better than that. I have clearly stated he was not the best voice in the group. I have also stated he did his job and he did it well. Sure someone could have replaced him but they didn't and it didn't have anything to do with feeling sorry or him. But since you bring it up, I'm still wondering why if he can't do the parts would they introduce him on the London lp and the live lp as 2nd tenor, baritone and occasional lead? Was it just for publicity to ensure that the public believed they had five lead singers? Or was it because he didn't sing lead much and they wanted the public to think he could sing? How much he sang is not the issue here....nor is what parts.......................if he can't sing why was he in the group? |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 14, 2004 14:50:44 GMT -5
8-)Girl! You ain't never lied! I CANNOT for the life of me get why posting negative statements about Otis is called, "hating" but when it comes to Eddie, David and Paul it is open for discussion!!! Posting about any of them in negative light is hating to me. I don't get it. I think because there are no drug and alcohol stories that anyone can post about Otis leads one to believe that he is placed in higher regard than the others. To me all it means is if he did the same things the others did, he kept it in his room. He wasn't the first to tell on those guys. They told on themselves by allowing people not in their circle to see it. That's how stuff gets started in the first place. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 15:15:05 GMT -5
The question was not directed to you, Mike. And I didn't say you couldn't tell. But I will say that's a crock of S&*T that they sang with him because they felt sorry for him. Big man...I was joking on that part. Of course it's a crock of S#!T. :laughing But I was dead serious about the "HATE" part. |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 14, 2004 15:27:21 GMT -5
Big man...I was joking on that part. Of course it's a crock of S#!T.  But I was dead serious about the "HATE" part. :laughing :laughing That's why I hate your A#% to day!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D :laughing |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 15:29:01 GMT -5
But since you bring it up, I'm still wondering why if he can't do the parts would they introduce him on the London lp and the live lp as 2nd tenor, baritone and occasional lead? Was it just for publicity to ensure that the public believed they had five lead singers? Or was it because he didn't sing lead much and they wanted the public to think he could sing? How much he sang is not the issue here....nor is what parts.......................if he can't sing why was he in the group? Aba,nowhere on the Talk Of The Town does anyone introduce Otis in that manner. After "I Can't Get Next To You" they slow it down...Paul says...Ladies and Gentleman...Mr. Otis Williams...after Otis sings "This Guy's In Love With You"..and he gets a hearty round of applause. Remember? What you are referring to is the Copa,where yes,they do introduce him in that manner. Why? Well it could be because they were billed as having all five can lead. Some of the alledged Otis Lovers,say the man can't hold a note. I do not agree,but his voice does go between second tenor and baritone...taht could be why some think that he can do all of that. I was not the one to critize his leads. You have me mixed up with an so-called Otis lover...which I have been said not to be. I can live with that from folks who don't know any better,but not you....you know better. I'm not asking you to validate this,just tell the truth. We've had many conversations about this very subject. Please don't twist my words. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 15:47:33 GMT -5
Posting about any of them in negative light is hating to me. I don't get it. I think because there are no drug and alcohol stories that anyone can post about Otis leads one to believe that he is placed in higher regard than the others. To me all it means is if he did the same things the others did, he kept it in his room. He wasn't the first to tell on those guys. They told on themselves by allowing people not in their circle to see it. That's how stuff gets started in the first place. What do you mean,they told on themselves? Rumors? Is that what you mean...because we have already conceeded that nothing was written on Paul's alledged problems while Paul was living...so I don't get it. Wasn't Otis in their circle? It sure sounds like it when he told about the early years hanging with David...hanging with Eddie,they didn't tell what happened then....what gives him the right to exploit? And to do it for profit? I know you don't like beating a dead horse,but you gave the horse the smelling sauce. I'm sure that you have seen things about some of your teammates that you could write several books on,and make a couple of movies on. Weather they did things in their room or not,you didn't choose to exploit them by telling it. I hear Darryl Dawkins is,or did. Not you,and you had the chance to..why didn't you? Is it because you can't use the money? I think it's because it's not your story to tell and you considered them friends...friends don't do each other like that...do they? |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 16:03:36 GMT -5
That's why I hate your A#% to day!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D But,like Michael Jackson once said...Maybe Tomorrow...You'll change your mind! :laughing ![]() temptsinfo.com/smilies/wtg.gif![]() |
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Post by ZeldaFScott on Sept 14, 2004 16:10:55 GMT -5
What dictionary have you found this definitions in? That is a kind of jargon, in my opinion, not a general definition of these terms ...  |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 14, 2004 16:45:55 GMT -5
Aba,nowhere on the Talk Of The Town does anyone introduce Otis in that manner. After "I Can't Get Next To You" they slow it down...Paul says...Ladies and Gentleman...Mr. Otis Williams...after Otis sings "This Guy's In Love With You"..and he gets a hearty round of applause. Remember? What you are referring to is the Copa,where yes,they do introduce him in that manner. Why? Well it could be because they were billed as having all five can lead. Some of the alledged Otis Lovers,say the man can't hold a note. I do not agree,but his voice does go between second tenor and baritone...taht could be why some think that he can do all of that. I was not the one to critize his leads. You have me mixed up with an so-called Otis lover...which I have been said not to be. I can live with that from folks who don't know any better,but not you....you know better. I'm not asking you to validate this,just tell the truth. We've had many conversations about this very subject. Please don't twist my words. Please re-listen to London Mike............I played it this morning and I had a witness who also heard the same thing...but what I'm saying is why do it at all if it is not true. And I keep saying this is not about you. I was referring to the other posters in this thread who said that. I know we have talked aobut this over and over but i want to hear what someone else has to say...........and listen again......Paul does refer to Otis with that way!!! ;D I can't twist your words...................not me! I know what you think of Otis as a singer so I don't even know why we are having this conversation. To quote Paul he says, Mr Otis Williams whom you've met all ready, our first tenor second tenor baritone and occasional lead. |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 14, 2004 16:59:04 GMT -5
What do you mean,they told on themselves? Rumors? Is that what you mean...because we have already conceeded that nothing was written on Paul's alledged problems while Paul was living...so I don't get it. Wasn't Otis in their circle? It sure sounds like it when he told about the early years hanging with David...hanging with Eddie,they didn't tell what happened then....what gives him the right to exploit? And to do it for profit? I know you don't like beating a dead horse,but you gave the horse the smelling sauce. I'm sure that you have seen things about some of your teammates that you could write several books on,and make a couple of movies on. Weather they did things in their room or not,you didn't choose to exploit them by telling it. I hear Darryl Dawkins is,or did. Not you,and you had the chance to..why didn't you? Is it because you can't use the money? I think it's because it's not your story to tell and you considered them friends...friends don't do each other like that...do they? ok.there were rumors...............did you hear any about Otis in that vein. I didn't. Don't mean he wasn't partaking of the same things others were but I didn't hear it? I agree for the thousanth time he shouldn't have told if he didn't tell on himself. the point is you can't allow even rumors to be out there. Unless you think Otis was spreading those too!!!!!! ;D :laughing |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 21:24:59 GMT -5
ok.there were rumors...............did you hear any about Otis in that vein. I didn't. Don't mean he wasn't partaking of the same things others were but I didn't hear it? I agree for the thousanth time he shouldn't have told if he didn't tell on himself. the point is you can't allow even rumors to be out there. Yes! |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 14, 2004 23:26:34 GMT -5
It seems like you are saying that if we talk about Otis ,we should say something nice. This is real cute in light of how he portrayed the rest of the group in a negative light. I have stated how I think Otis sounds good <snip> I'm saying if we talk about ANYONE, we should say something nice. Why the need to bash anyone? Am I the only person on the board with home training? Surely not. And why does what Otis alledgely said or did have to do with anything? Ever heard of "turn the other cheek"? What about "two wrongs don't make a right"? News flash Mike! I'm not talking about YOU. If I were to list all the people I'm referring to who hate on O's vocal abilities, YOU would not be on the list. Shocking, but true! It's not ALWAYS about you sweetheart. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 14, 2004 23:29:06 GMT -5
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 14, 2004 23:33:28 GMT -5
8-)Girl! You ain't never lied! I CANNOT for the life of me get why posting negative statements about Otis is called, "hating" but when it comes to Eddie, David and Paul it is open for discussion!!! Point it out ............. FIND it here on the board and I'll be more than happy to call them a hater to. It simply does not exist. |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 14, 2004 23:38:31 GMT -5
What dictionary have you found this definitions in? That is a kind of jargon, in my opinion, not a general definition of these terms ... In the one I posted the link to and it IS a general definition of the term. You may not be accustomed to it, but it's as real as real. |
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