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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 6:02:34 GMT -5
Good point Timmay. And you see, it is hyperbolic statements like this that cause me to call folks "Otis haters" which causes Mike to start about folks peeing on themselves and using 47 smileys in one post. "To hate" and "being a hater" are two different things. Perhaps we need to define our terms...... A "hater" is....... Someone who feels better about his or her self by dissing others success, happiness, or even distress.
to dislike someone else for no real reason besides jealousy
A person who feels anger and/or jealousy for someone who has succeeded in something they have worked hard for.
(Urbandictionary.com)Now, here we have Otis, a man who apparently sang well enough for the greatest (Melvin, David, Eddie and Paul) to choose to sing along side of and yet we continually have people who like to build themselves up by putting the man down. A man who has never said an unkind word about any of them. I cannot sing and have only a very limited formal training on the subject. But I am of the opinion that David, Eddie, Paul and Melvin COULD sing and knew enough about the matter to be able to tell if someone else could sing. I willingly admit that the four of them knew MUCH more about singing than I do and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that they all knew more about singing that all of Y'ALL did. If you wanna argue with four of the greatest singers of our time, feel free. But I ain't gonna do it.  So you see, making statements about Otis' vocal abilities (or lack thereof) when he's out on a bus minding his own business not bothering any of us, well, yeah .............. that's hating in the truest sense of the word. This is a prime example of denial. Also proof that there are no haters as far as Otis is concerned. This is not reality. Otis is on a bus not bothering anybody,David ain't bothering anybody either. Nobody puts Otis down to build themselves up. Matter of fact Otis puts people down to build himself up. That's why you see the portrayal of Paul like you do. Get real...Otis ain't that important to anyone to use as a "stepping stone". Picture that with a kodak! That just don't make sense at all.I guess any excuse is better than none. Just come close to reality.  |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 6:08:37 GMT -5
I know what you mean. Although it is denied everytime it is brought up, it really feels to me that Otis is held responsible for the deaths of the others and why is he still alive? That's too bad because it shouldn't be that way.................I guess I want to understand that if Otis was so bad, and so not talented.....why was he in the group in the first place and even further, why would all these great singers in the C-5 continue to sing with him? He made a positive contribution to the group in terms of his singing............anything else is up for debate. You feel that way,doesn't mean that anyone else felt that Otis was responsible for any death.Nothing has ever been written that would even support such a claim. As to why Otis was in the group in the first place,why would these great singers in the c-5 continue to sing with him? They tried to correct their mistake...why do you think Eddie mentioned bringing David back? Whose place do you think David would have taken if he did come back? Otis,that's who. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 6:12:35 GMT -5
I agree as far as not blaming Otis for the other guys deaths. That is just ridiculous. However, as far as why he has been in this group for this long with his unforseen talent? I have no idea. I agree about the statement you made about the deaths.....especially since nobody ever blamed Otis for that to begin with. Now,the death of the Temptations as far as a major musical force.......that's another story. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 6:14:41 GMT -5
Aba, I'll get back to you when I have more time to respond to that. But Ed, I hear Paul on Hello Young Lovers. That is great Thank You. You hardly hear Otis in the background. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 6:16:54 GMT -5
What? Where?  I'd like to read that So would all of us. She got things mixed up,Miss Tara,don't mind her. ;D |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 6:20:52 GMT -5
You've been hanging around Mikey too long wanting me to prove a negative. But anway, if you find ONE post by Otis Williams on this board disrespecting any of the posters here I'll give you a whole dollar!  This means she has upgraded her hang out partners,Miss Tara you couldn't have made a better choice!  If you don't come off negative,you have nothing to prove. Mikey just shows you just how wrong you are....that's positive.  |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 6:36:39 GMT -5
Once again something I wrote turns into something else................how you can talk about what the hell he wrote in a book or a movie when if you read my post it plainly says singing abilities, is a mystery to me.............why can't an answer be given that doeswn't include anything aobut how he lives or what he worte or the movie. That's all I'm asking. I'm so tired of the drink response and the picture in the book.........if that's the only thing you can come up with then ok.............I admit to it and understand it........answer the damn question about whether the man can sing and why did the other four sing with him if he was so non-talented. At some point we should be able to get to the bottom of this without detracting back to the same old stuff all the time. Like the notion that anyone blames the deaths of any member of the group on Otis? Is that the dead horse that you are speaking of? I'm tired of that,too. Like the thought that folks are mad that he's still alive and the others aren't? I'm tired of that,too.Like Otis is the only one who made a positive contribution and no other member did? I'm tired of that,too. I see what you mean about the same old stuff. I just gave you a few examples of that "SAME OLD STUFF". If you read MY post,you would clearly see that I was addressing Curet.  This post I quoted YOUR posts. The dead horse came from your post,as well as the notion that anyone blames Otis for people's deaths. Also the thought that folks are mad that Otis is still alive and the other's aren't. We run two different stables,you beat your "dead Horses"....I'll beat mine! |
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Post by MissTara on Sept 14, 2004 7:22:35 GMT -5
You've been hanging around Mikey too long wanting me to prove a negative. But anway, if you find ONE post by Otis Williams on this board disrespecting any of the posters here I'll give you a whole dollar! No, I don't think so. And I wouldn't find a "post" from Otis disrespecting anyone. How bout a video clip, or photo copies of papes, or something real. A dollar? Come one, hw about a million ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 14, 2004 9:24:27 GMT -5
No, I don't think so. And I wouldn't find a "post" from Otis disrespecting anyone. Exactly. And I'll bet you a whole dollar you'll never find a video clip or "something real" of Otis saying anything negative about any of the people on this board. So why don't we respond in kind? |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 14, 2004 11:38:32 GMT -5
Like the notion that anyone blames the deaths of any member of the group on Otis? Is that the dead horse that you are speaking of? I'm tired of that,too. Like the thought that folks are mad that he's still alive and the others aren't? I'm tired of that,too.Like Otis is the only one who made a positive contribution and no other member did? I'm tired of that,too. I see what you mean about the same old stuff. I just gave you a few examples of that "SAME OLD STUFF". If you read MY post,you would clearly see that I was addressing Curet. This post I quoted YOUR posts. The dead horse came from your post,as well as the notion that anyone blames Otis for people's deaths. Also the thought that folks are mad that Otis is still alive and the other's aren't. We run two different stables,you beat your "dead Horses"....I'll beat mine! Still......if you read my post, it is not about the dead horse or the blame game. I'm looking for an answer to my questions. Again, they are, if Otis Williams is this non singing, non dancing, non talented person, why did four men like David Eddie Paul and Melvin choose to sing with him? And as we know, if he didn't start the group and it was a merger as is said, then why would they merge with a group that includes a non singing, non dancing, non talented person such as Otis? That's what I want to know. I feel that most of the things regarding Otis stem from his book and the movie and that dislike. hatred, whatever the hell you want to call has filtered down to his singing. They are two separate issues to me. You can dislike him, his book, the movie or anything else but his singing though not as good as the others was good enough to be in that group and not one person I ever met back then ever said that Otis can't sing, shouldn't be in the group or anything else like that. I only heard that when I started surfing the net in later years because of the movie and the book. That is what I am defending, his singing and his singing only. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 13:26:19 GMT -5
Exactly. And I'll bet you a whole dollar you'll never find a video clip or "something real" of Otis saying anything negative about any of the people on this board. So why don't we respond in kind? This ,with all due respect does not make any sense at all. Let the man join the board. It seems like you are saying that if we talk about Otis ,we should say something nice. This is real cute in light of how he portrayed the rest of the group in a negative light. I have stated how I think Otis sounds good on Don't Send Me Away,This Guy's In Love With You...his spoken part on Can't You See Sweet Thing,Stay,I Ain't Got Nothin'...while all those alledged "Otis Lovers " thought I was crazy. A lot of so called Otis lovers don't even seem to respect his vocal abilities. So ,don't try to backtrack now. I'll find the threads and remind each and every one of you! |
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Post by ZeldaFScott on Sept 14, 2004 13:35:09 GMT -5
Ivory, I am afraid I don't get your point. He's most likely thinking in terms of potential CD buyers, if he is not responding. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 14, 2004 13:41:06 GMT -5
Still......if you read my post, it is not about the dead horse or the blame game. I'm looking for an answer to my questions. Again, they are, if Otis Williams is this non singing, non dancing, non talented person, why did four men like David Eddie Paul and Melvin choose to sing with him? And as we know, if he didn't start the group and it was a merger as is said, then why would they merge with a group that includes a non singing, non dancing, non talented person such as Otis? That's what I want to know. I feel that most of the things regarding Otis stem from his book and the movie and that dislike. hatred, whatever the hell you want to call has filtered down to his singing. They are two separate issues to me. You can dislike him, his book, the movie or anything else but his singing though not as good as the others was good enough to be in that group and not one person I ever met back then ever said that Otis can't sing, shouldn't be in the group or anything else like that. I only heard that when I started surfing the net in later years because of the movie and the book. That is what I am defending, his singing and his singing only. Because they felt sorry for him,that's why they sang with him,or allowed him to sing with them. Your questions have been answered by me long ago both on the board and one on one conversations...you forget? I love the way Otis sings "This Guy's In Love With You on the Talk Of The Town. He has good lines on You Make Your Own Heaven Hell Right Here On Earth,his touch on Masterpiece. But as far as Otis being the key to the harmony...please...don't hand me that BS. The notion that he does multiple parts in the background is also a farce. You don't hear that at all. Listen to Get Ready,where is he? Listen to the harmonies on Live At The Copa,you don't hear that there . Otis has a distinctive voice that can be heard on My Girl,Cloud Nine,but in his natural range. Not covering Eddie. Now on All I Need,you can hear Otis up there,but Eddie's right there with him. One rare occasion when Otis can be heard above the rest. The key to the harmony was Eddie & Melvin. Not Otis. I had suggested that Otis would be good at some barbershop quartet-style song...him singing lead. So,please don't try to tell me that I never gave the man his props as far as singing goes. That's disrespecting me. I know that's not your intent,but don't tell me I can't separate Otis the entertainer,from Otis the business man/author/excutive movie producer. That's simply not true. |
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Post by JoAnne on Sept 14, 2004 14:04:12 GMT -5
Good point Timmay. And you see, it is hyperbolic statements like this that cause me to call folks "Otis haters" which causes Mike to start about folks peeing on themselves and using 47 smileys in one post. "To hate" and "being a hater" are two different things. Perhaps we need to define our terms...... A "hater" is....... Someone who feels better about his or her self by dissing others success, happiness, or even distress.
to dislike someone else for no real reason besides jealousy
A person who feels anger and/or jealousy for someone who has succeeded in something they have worked hard for.
(Urbandictionary.com)Now, here we have Otis, a man who apparently sang well enough for the greatest (Melvin, David, Eddie and Paul) to choose to sing along side of and yet we continually have people who like to build themselves up by putting the man down. A man who has never said an unkind word about any of them. I cannot sing and have only a very limited formal training on the subject. But I am of the opinion that David, Eddie, Paul and Melvin COULD sing and knew enough about the matter to be able to tell if someone else could sing. I willingly admit that the four of them knew MUCH more about singing than I do and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that they all knew more about singing that all of Y'ALL did. If you wanna argue with four of the greatest singers of our time, feel free. But I ain't gonna do it. So you see, making statements about Otis' vocal abilities (or lack thereof) when he's out on a bus minding his own business not bothering any of us, well, yeah .............. that's hating in the truest sense of the word. Eddie, David, and Paul, ain't bothering any body either!! So I quess making negative statements about them is hateing. But the dictionary written by Webster, has an entirely different meaning of the word hate. The REAL meaning.  |
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Post by eddiespiece on Sept 14, 2004 14:13:18 GMT -5
Eddie, David, and Paul, ain't bothering any body either!! So I quess making negative statements about them is hateing. But the dictionary written by Webster, has an entirely different meaning of the word hate. The REAL meaning. 8-)Girl! You ain't never lied! I CANNOT for the life of me get why posting negative statements about Otis is called, "hating" but when it comes to Eddie, David and Paul it is open for discussion!!! |
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