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Post by sukkafu on Jan 28, 2003 1:41:13 GMT -5
i believe you mike. why then didn't paul start out by singing the childhood part of my life wasn't very pretty?
was dennis better? i would say different, but not better. so why was paul singing less words and hardly ever going first on leads, especially the hits?
i could hear paul singing since i lost my baby and probably doing a slam bang job of it too.
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Post by MikeNYC on Jan 28, 2003 4:27:20 GMT -5
Most of the hits from 68 to 71 had Paul's voice,not bit parts either. Why didn't Ruffin sing Don't Look Back,why didn't Eddie sing My Girl ? How come Dennis doesn't sing the first line on Ball Of Confusion ? The producers had something different in mind than what I said. It had nothing to do with the talent,just the way the producers wanted it.
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Post by sukkafu on Jan 28, 2003 5:28:55 GMT -5
well, since that other thread by kalisa i think shows posner's book says that the producers owned the material so they had dictatorial powers over the artists.
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Post by kalisa2 on Jan 28, 2003 8:54:11 GMT -5
Not just the producers...don't forget who had final say-so on everything that got released...
I understand that there were Paul leads recorded that never saw the light of day during that time (early days, up to but before Ruffin's departure).
BUT...the plan was cross-over. Appealing to white bread middle America, capturing the "other half" of the record-buying public. Paul, I think, had a soulful sound to his voice that couldn't be as readily POP-isized (whitewashed) as Ruffin and Eddie. Remember Gordy's own brother Robert(think it was his brother) had a recording that was getting lots of airplay until the DJ's got a picture of him...they hadn't realized they were playing music by a black artist...airplay stopped and the record died. These were the same days the Marvellettes first album had a drawing of a mailbox on the front rather than a picture of the artists..
As time went on, people were aware of the ethnicity of the groups, the sounds were changing and the soulful or black sounding voice was becoming more acceptable on so-called white stations... even sought after. TCB happened. Just as Paul's health was deteriorating...bad timing. I think if he had lived longer or been more able to perform, he would have come into his own with the writers/producers/powers that be that control releases.
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Post by tdallasw on Jan 28, 2003 10:57:54 GMT -5
I think you are right on target kalisa. I believe Paul would have had many more leads in the 70's if his health hadn't become a problem. Motown was really hot by then and soul music was the voice of young black America. Paul's voice would have been great on more of Whitfield's songs. It is truly a tragedy that we lost him and never got the chance to see and hear what he could really do.
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Post by Aba21 on Jan 28, 2003 13:22:09 GMT -5
I think the cover of the Isley Brothers lp...THIS OLD HEART OF MINE says everything about how the music had to be marketed. It had a scene with a white couple embracing on the beach, I believe. I never could figure that one out. ;D
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Post by kalisa2 on Jan 28, 2003 13:27:35 GMT -5
YES!! Thanks for jogging my memory, Aba...I knew there was another one out there that was very bizarre, but couldn't come up with the name of the group. Just knew it had that white couple on the front.
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Post by DramaLJDiva on Jan 28, 2003 14:49:14 GMT -5
The miniseries more or less made Melvin out to be Otis' "yesman". In the apartment scene, David asks Melvin a question, and before Mel can answer, David says, "That's right, Otis. Whatever you say, Otis." There is a distinction between being someone's best friend and having a mind of your own. It's nice that they portrayed that side of their friendship (as well as Eddie's and Paul's), but they overdid it a little, in my opinion.
Even in the 70s, some groups still had cover art (not white couples, but drawings of different things) on their album covers, but at least the group members' pictures were inside the album sleeve.
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Post by Jonel on Jan 28, 2003 15:48:36 GMT -5
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Post by sukkafu on Jan 29, 2003 3:59:12 GMT -5
DOCUDRAMA IT IS!!!  |
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Post by KEEKS on Jan 30, 2003 0:57:54 GMT -5
Ain't No Smoke Without Fire! ;D I don't want people to get the wrong idea. There are people who post on this board who were not even born when Paul was a Tempt . I didn't tell you to say "second banana". You could have found another way to say what you wanted to say . Paul was as important to the Temptations as David,Eddie or Dennis. Paul was not hung up on stardom.To the people who saw him perform,he was very much a LEAD SINGER and we were never denied his turn at lead. There has been many things written about Paul and it seems to me that people forgot his talent . Well I'm here to remind them . And will remind them when they need reminding !  Mike I ain't mad at ya... ;D Educate me TRUTH man, I am here to keep on lovin and learnin about the TEMPTATIONS |
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Post by sukkafu on Jan 30, 2003 2:44:47 GMT -5
i could never learn from another, after learning from you! |
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Post by ken-du on Jan 30, 2003 4:52:41 GMT -5
Lets talk about the cut Backage. What do you think of it and why do you think with seven (7) temps singing on the cut they used Billiy Durrham as and additional background singer ? I think that David and Eddie only sang on " Standing On The Top " and "You Better Beware".
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Post by sukkafu on Jan 30, 2003 5:00:10 GMT -5
brother ken-du-what did you do? how did you start a different thread on this thread?
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Post by ken-du on Jan 30, 2003 6:08:14 GMT -5
Sukkafu - What can i tell you ? I made a boo-boo. By the way Sukkafu, I just signed with Miken to swing there new MIKEN ULTRA II ( $350) There giving me 12 of them, I,ll keep two and sell the rest to a local team for about $2,000 .
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