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Post by Ivory Fair on Oct 29, 2003 1:45:13 GMT -5
ok then ................ he's not a crack head ................... how's that?  |
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Post by selfishreasons on Oct 29, 2003 1:50:54 GMT -5
now, that is a success.
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Post by Tess on Oct 29, 2003 1:53:10 GMT -5
You're quick! What I would consider when deciding if someone was successful as a man or woman....
Quality of their relationships with family members and friends.
Impact their life had on others. Is the world better because of the way they lived their life?
Satisfaction with self. Is there more joy than regret?
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Post by Elvis84 on Oct 29, 2003 8:04:16 GMT -5
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good."
- Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)
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Post by selfishreasons on Oct 29, 2003 9:27:40 GMT -5
"They [Americans] are a race of convicts, and ought to be thankful for anything we allow them short of hanging" -- Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)
I believe that he also was a man who had many friends who owned slaves.
I don't give him much creed.
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Post by Elvis84 on Oct 29, 2003 11:44:40 GMT -5
I don`t know who this Samuel Johnson was, but that quote what i posted is pretty good...
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Post by selfishreasons on Oct 29, 2003 15:58:41 GMT -5
i just think it is interesting to know about the people who make the statement that they made. He was a British writer.
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Post by Dbaby on Oct 30, 2003 19:31:16 GMT -5
I don't judge the quality of a person by what they don't do. I also don't judge a person by what they do. I feel that what makes a good person is their ability to love. This is why the variety of my friends is HUGE. I REFUSE to believe a person isn't a success unless they sit in a corner and spit at every person that walks by and refuses to enjoy the world. Now I'm not a big God person, but I don't think God would put many people on this planet who wouldn't benefit it in some way, either known or unknown. Hitler, the guy who blew up the Oklahoma building, those people I don't understand and wouldn't consider then successes. But I think we can all agree that Otis wasn't Hitler or the other idiot. I'm not really a big judger either, so the fact that Otis cheated on his wife doesn't wreck my image of him. Why stay with someone you don't love? For example, right now there's this HUGE debate going on in my town because of the Pledge. My Highschool Newspaper had a picture of a Lit Honors 10 class (a class I took last year) saying the pledge in it, and one girl was sitting, three were standing up saying the pledge, two were just standing there, and two were doing a "European salute" A.K.A the Nazi salute. While I Don't agree with the way some people were choosing to do things (the boys doing the european salute stated in the article that they were NOT intending a Nazi salute, but a EUROPEAN salute, which I still don't like) I don't agree with the thousands of people in this town that completely flaired up about it all. A bunch of people want to force kids to stand up and say the pledge, but I say what good it patrotism if it's forced? Back to Otis, what good is love if it's fake? Sometimes it just doesn't work out with people, and Otis maybe didn't choose to deal with that in the "proper" way, but I'm sure he was pretty confused at the time, wondering why the heck he no longer loved the girl he would have probably DIED for earlier. Somewhere along the line someone decided you need to take the bad with the good. But sometimes people think that means putting up with the bad will ALWAYS lead to good, and that just not the case. I think Otis would have been less of a success if he continued to live with a woman he didn't love just for the sake of appearing to be what has come to be accepted as a "success".
Ok, wow, I know what I'm trying to say in my mind, but It' just taking me forever and I'm not even sure it's making sense, so I'm just going to stop.
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Post by ThezeThreeWordz on Oct 30, 2003 20:46:39 GMT -5
dbaby.. you said that well.. i agree.. why stay with someone you don't love? also agreeing with there IS a right and a wrong way to do things.. whether his feelings changed or not... he took a vow.. and yes he could have handled that better..handle your business first then go do whatever.. and didn't he only marry her because he got her pregnant.. that's one thing i sure dont agree with back then.. that.. "i had to do the right thing and marry her cause i got her pregnant" thing.. not that i loved her.  i know it was a very frowned upon thing back then.. but it was fake as hell.. you already did the deed!.. need i say the s word..?? ;D |
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Post by Tess on Oct 30, 2003 23:27:22 GMT -5
Dbaby - you're expressing yourself just fine. I like your passion! The infedelity is bad but her being under age is a BIG no no in my book. :nono
TTW - ITA that going into a marriage because of pregnancy (or staying for the sake of the kids) is
probably not the way to happiness. OTOH the FEAR of "what will everybody think" and "my parents will kill me" probably kept a lot of people from getting pregnant back then. Now that there is not as much social stigma against unwed mothers that motivation to NOT get pregnant is not as strong. Then again I am glad that the children aren't as stigmatized as they used to be.
Tess
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Post by ThezeThreeWordz on Oct 30, 2003 23:55:47 GMT -5
true tess.. alls i know is marriage is not intended to be used for covering your @ss.. you don't want to have a child out of wedlock.. don't have sex outside of marriage.. that seems like that's where the focus needs to be first and foremost.. the rest will fall in place.. you're right.. it sure isn't a stigma attached to it like it used to be..TOO many youngins are having babies today.. multiple ones  i don't think that has come about only because of the destimatization of oow chilrens.. what else do you think causes this? i've ventured off the subject..  feel free NOT to reply..  |
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Post by Timmy84 on Nov 5, 2003 23:38:32 GMT -5
Well, I've been having thoughts of how Otis looked after production and HOW true he truly was. Considering the info about David, Eddie, and Paul, in reality, was way BETTER than Big O portrayed it. Now I'm not saying Otis is a jerk or anything like that but come on, he has done some dirt. Probably more dirt than ever been publicized and just like the rest of the guys, he may have tried drugs. I mean, come on! They were at a point of success where drugs like cocaine were recreational and they were doing it at a daily basis. I also didn't appreciate the way the movie and how Eddie, Paul and David were treated. Basically, they forget that Paul was still a loyal member of the group despite beef he may have had with O. To me, the Temptations wouldn't have been who they were without his leadership. David wasn't that bad now, was he? I don't think it's the success that turns you into something else, the drugs ADD to that too and that's how he got f***ed up. Eddie was just Eddie: strong-willed and willing to go down for whatever. Eddie wanted to be a soloist while still in the Temps but Otis and Motown didn't feel like it would work because back then it would be like, "Oh Eddie's doing a solo project, he's turning his back on us, man." And that was really stupid. It's sad that near the end when Otis said that he couldn't stand it when David, Eddie and Dennis (who got DIS-RESPECTED and mistreated... oh what he's not THAT important?! Guess it was ALL about the Classic 5, huh?) made it. MAN THEY SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR BOYS! And I'm sure O and Blue had fights too. We've never got Melvin's side of the story. God, I still wish he was here. Anyway, the story was okay, I guess, but kind of screwed up in terms of history and the way that each of the members were portrayed: Otis and Melvin--the good guys, Paul--the drunk and Eddie and Paul--the bad boys. Too sad. And kind of sappy even though it was nice to see them dance one last time. LOL |
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Post by selfishreasons on Nov 6, 2003 12:04:33 GMT -5
Timmy When you gonna fill out that Profile?
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Post by Cheech on Nov 6, 2003 14:20:44 GMT -5
Timmy When you gonna fill out that Profile? In a minute, man. :laughing |
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Post by Aba21 on Nov 6, 2003 14:27:36 GMT -5
Well, I've been having thoughts of how Otis looked after production and HOW true he truly was. Considering the info about David, Eddie, and Paul, in reality, was way BETTER than Big O portrayed it. Now I'm not saying Otis is a jerk or anything like that but come on, he has done some dirt. Probably more dirt than ever been publicized and just like the rest of the guys, he may have tried drugs. I mean, come on! They were at a point of success where drugs like cocaine were recreational and they were doing it at a daily basis. I also didn't appreciate the way the movie and how Eddie, Paul and David were treated. Basically, they forget that Paul was still a loyal member of the group despite beef he may have had with O. To me, the Temptations wouldn't have been who they were without his leadership. David wasn't that bad now, was he? I don't think it's the success that turns you into something else, the drugs ADD to that too and that's how he got f***ed up. Eddie was just Eddie: strong-willed and willing to go down for whatever. Eddie wanted to be a soloist while still in the Temps but Otis and Motown didn't feel like it would work because back then it would be like, "Oh Eddie's doing a solo project, he's turning his back on us, man." And that was really stupid. It's sad that near the end when Otis said that he couldn't stand it when David, Eddie and Dennis (who got DIS-RESPECTED and mistreated... oh what he's not THAT important?! Guess it was ALL about the Classic 5, huh?) made it. MAN THEY SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR BOYS! And I'm sure O and Blue had fights too. We've never got Melvin's side of the story. God, I still wish he was here. Anyway, the story was okay, I guess, but kind of screwed up in terms of history and the way that each of the members were portrayed: Otis and Melvin--the good guys, Paul--the drunk and Eddie and Paul--the bad boys. Too sad. And kind of sappy even though it was nice to see them dance one last time. LOL All you're saying is that there were five individuals in a group who as time went by saw other things in life they wanted to do outside the group confines and there struggles and conflits about getting that done. These men had seen it all, and done it all. It happens to peopel everyday in real life...You grow up, mature and want what you think may be something better fo yourself. |
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i know it was a very frowned upon thing back then.. but it was fake as hell.. you already did the deed!.. need i say the s word..?? ;D
