[Aba21]

Honey said:

You said, "If Richard tells some of the same stories the same way Otis did, as well as he sang behind the curtian for Paul which some people don't believe happen, " Okay, what's the point with that statement? Is it an error in the book or what? What are you talking about when you said, quote: " You said it...." What did I say? there are other people that did not travel with the C5 on a daily basis that have written books about their experience with the Temps. They didn't bad-mouth any body! Quantity does not = Quality!
It was not well known of the problems the C5 had until the book and movie came out. There are two generations that did not know! And as far as boys will be boys ::)http://www.temptsinfo.com/smilies/censored.gif

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What does any of this have to do with Errors in the book [/quote]

My point was that you say you read something by someone not in the group and you take it as truth and that Otis lied.........well that's your side and it don't make it true. It has been said around here long before you got here that Richard never sang behind the curtain for Paul....................and he says he does? Is he a lie as well.........I have seen many sing behind the curtain over the years for various reasons whether they weren't ready to come out with the group or when someone was sick...........just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Richard certainly has his axe to grind with Otis but I can tell you I would be surprised if his whole book contradicts what Otis has said. Richard has never bitten his tougne in interviews and articles I have seen of him and he will say what he needs to say about anybody in the group. I am much more inclined to take the word of someone who was there as opposed to someone talking in the second and third person. That being said, Do I personally believe all that Otis said...........no because I know different? But I do not believe he set out to bad mouth his group members intentionally. I keep saying I agree that he shouldn't have said all the things he did in his book but I just don't get the bad mouthing of his group mates in the same way as others........but again that's just my opinion and I respect yours...........just offering another arguement that's all.

Here's another story about an error in the book..........I remember when Melvin passed and I got a phone call the moment he left us from a friend who was at the hospital. I don't know why Otis chose not to tell the real story on Melvin in his first release, but I had no problem with what he said even though I knew different.

[Ivory Fair]

I have seen many sing behind the curtain over the years for various reasons whether they weren't ready to come out with the group or when someone was sick.

I sang from behind the curtain several times ................... well I DID!

I don't know why Otis chose not to tell the real story on Melvin in his first release, but I had no problem with what he said even though I knew different.

Huh? .............. you mean why didn't O tell the real story of Melvin's death in the book's first release? ........... he wasn't dead yet.

[Aba21]

Ivory said:

I sang from behind the curtain several times ................... well I DID!



Huh? .............. you mean why didn't O tell the real story of Melvin's death in the book's first release? ........... he wasn't dead yet.

Sorry got confused with the movie for a second......... ;D stupid me! ;D

[ZeldaFScott]

See, Aba, that's what I am talking about. Movie, book ... book, movie? If even you get confused by such a mixture of half-fiction, full-fiction, no fiction ... what are those peple doing who have only had these two "experiences" with the Temptations?

[Jammo]

AnnaKonda said:

See, Aba, that's what I am talking about. Movie, book ... book, movie? If even you get confused by such a mixture of half-fiction, full-fiction, no fiction ... what are those peple doing who have only had these two "experiences" with the Temptations?

They get interested in Tempts and start looking for boards like this.

[Aba21]

AnnaKonda said:

See, Aba, that's what I am talking about. Movie, book ... book, movie? If even you get confused by such a mixture of half-fiction, full-fiction, no fiction ... what are those peple doing who have only had these two "experiences" with the Temptations?

Once again, let me make myself clear aobut the movie and the book. Neither of them is the bible on the Temptations for me. They did two things: THey created a whole new fan base whether they were true or not. And most of the people here wouldn't be here if not for one or the other. Nothing has changerd for me since i came here about the book or the movie. I still see it as one man's story, right or wrong, true or false about a group he was in.

Two: The movie and book brought me around here to find like people who love the Temptations and want to share their feelings, adventures and dreams about this group. I did not come here to call anybody a liar, drug addict, drunk, non-dancer, cant sing or anything else. I came here to meet people and enjoy the talk. So far the only thing I'm enjoying lately is the people. The talk is another matter. ;D ;D ;D

[ZeldaFScott]

Jammo said:

They get interested in Tempts and start looking for boards like this.

I sure hope they do ... I did. Because if they don't, there will be a whole lot of misconceptions floating around about the Temptations history. I really wish the movie at least would have been like the documentary about the Funk Brothers ... I love it.

[Ivory Fair]

what are those peple doing who have only had these two "experiences" with the Temptations?

The people who only have the book and movie to base their judgement of the group on should keep in mind that those are two second-hand sources, one of which was overly dramatized and not take them as the gospel truth.

If they can't do that then they have bigger problems than the Tempts to worry about.

[JoAnne]

Aba21 said:

Okay Aba21, we seem to be having problems with what I say in my posts. Lets try to clairfy thinings, Okay?
First Quote by you;
My point was that you say you read something by someone not in the group and you take it as truth and that Otis lied.........End of Quote;


Please show me where I posted that statement. I don't think that way and I never said that!


Second Quote by you;
well that's your side and it don't make it true. It has been said around here long before you got here that Richard never sang behind the curtain for Paul....................and he says he does? Is he a lie as well.......End of Quote :


It dosen't matter to me if Richard sang behind the curtain for Paul or not, nor how long he did it before I got here. I just asked a simple question. Which was, "was that satatement an error in the book, or not?"

Next Quote;
.I have seen many sing behind the curtain over the years for various reasons whether they weren't ready to come out with the group or when someone was sick...........just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Richard certainly has his axe to grind with Otis but I can tell you I would be surprised if his whole book contradicts what Otis has said. Richard has never bitten his tougne in interviews and articles I have seen of him and he will say what he needs to say about anybody in the group. I am much more inclined to take the word of someone who was there as opposed to someone talking in the second and third person. That being said, Do I personally believe all that Otis said...........no because I know different? But I do not believe he set out to bad mouth his group members intentionally. I keep saying I agree that he shouldn't have said all the things he did in his book but I just don't get the bad mouthing of his group mates in the same way as others........but again that's just my opinion and I respect yours...........just offering another arguement that's all. End of Quote;

I respect yours. and everybody's else.
You are lucky to have seen what you have seen, I haven't had any personal contacts with the HOF6. That's why I ask questions? Please don't interpret my questions to be statements. No arguement here!

[Aba21]

Honey said:

Aba21 said:

Okay Aba21, we seem to be having problems with what I say in my posts. Lets try to clairfy thinings, Okay?
First Quote by you;
My point was that you say you read something by someone not in the group and you take it as truth and that Otis lied.........End of Quote;


Please show me where I posted that statement. I don't think that way and I never said that!


Second Quote by you;
well that's your side and it don't make it true. It has been said around here long before you got here that Richard never sang behind the curtain for Paul....................and he says he does? Is he a lie as well.......End of Quote :


It dosen't matter to me if Richard sang behind the curtain for Paul or not, nor how long he did it before I got here. I just asked a simple question. It was, was that atatement an error in the book or not?

Next Quote;
.I have seen many sing behind the curtain over the years for various reasons whether they weren't ready to come out with the group or when someone was sick...........just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Richard certainly has his axe to grind with Otis but I can tell you I would be surprised if his whole book contradicts what Otis has said. Richard has never bitten his tougne in interviews and articles I have seen of him and he will say what he needs to say about anybody in the group. I am much more inclined to take the word of someone who was there as opposed to someone talking in the second and third person. That being said, Do I personally believe all that Otis said...........no because I know different? But I do not believe he set out to bad mouth his group members intentionally. I keep saying I agree that he shouldn't have said all the things he did in his book but I just don't get the bad mouthing of his group mates in the same way as others........but again that's just my opinion and I respect yours...........just offering another arguement that's all. End of Quote;

I respect yours. any everybody's else.
You are lucky to have seen what you have seen, I haven't had any personal contacts with the HOF6. That's why I ask questions? Please don't interpret my questions to be statements. No arguement here!

Ok.....let's start over...........I only mean this: There is such a huge story that no one will ever know the truth, not all of it. Sometimes I am constricted in what I can say and what I can't say on this forum. I have gotten in trouble before being niave and saying too much. I do not want to argue at all..........as a matter of fact I may be the most non agumentive person on here. I have great respect for any one who has ever had the opportunity to be a TEmptation, Otis included. To do anything that long is a testement in itself to focus and desire. While I don't agree with everything Otis has said and done, I do not stand in judgement of him, like some do on this board. I know Otis, but he is not what I would call my friend. My friends have been others in the group but I have been aorund them enough to see that Otis isn't as bad as we think, nor are the others as innocent as they would have you believe. I am sorry if I misunderstood anything you wrote and that I may have gone off on a tangent. It just seems we beat this horse over the head so much, it should be a pancake by now. I'am not looking to change anybody's mind, just offering a different side of the story.

[JoAnne]

Thanks Aba21 for saying you are sorry! Things were really getting crazy around here. When you said I made a certain statement and than you would put me down for making such a negative statement. (That I never made at all!!) I mean it was llike I was accused of shooting Lincoln and now I'm going to jail!

[JoAnne]

ThaFunkyFakeTation said:

None of those books are completely honest. We are dealing with human beings that have their own interests to protect. The books do serve their purpose in that they drive the readers to do further research on their own. Not a bad thing, really.

Ed

This is true, there are a lot of good interesting books out there, that can be used for research.

[Aba21]

Certainly the more you read the more you will diversify your thoughts on the story and how it unfolded.....Never put all your eggs in one story..... ;D ;D ;D

[JoAnne]

Aba21 said:

Certainly the more you read the more you will diversify your thoughts on the story and how it unfolded.....Never put all your eggs in one story..... ;D ;D ;D

This is ture,
That's why I have read several books about the Temps. plus other Motown groups. Soon after I finish one I start on another. They always write of their experience with the Temps. I have read several articles, and seen live interviews of them. I have been to the Motown, Hittsvile U.S.A. building, and talked to the Administrator about them. I want to learn all I can about them. . I remember when we used to talk about, "who is your favorite temp." I never heard anyone choose Otis. But no one had anything bad to say about him either(me included). We loved ALL the temps. My problem With O came after the movie and book came out.

A couple of children (9&10) asked me "was it true that "David Ruffin, was a durg addict?" The little boy said he wanted to be a Temptation when he grow up. The little girl told him, just don't be David Ruffin, cause he was on drugs. She had an expression on her face as to say "David was a disgrace," That made me feel bad!!! At couple of other different times, people over 30yrs. have asked me was it true that David Ruffin was a trouble maker in the group?

This image of David(true or not) should not have been put out there like that. This is because of Os' book and movie. That's why I'm trying to learn all I can.

[Aba21]

Honey said:

This is ture,
That's why I have read several books about the Temps. plus other Motown groups. Soon after I finish one I start on another. They always write of their experience with the Temps. I have read several articles, and seen live interviews of them. I have been to the Motown, Hittsvile U.S.A. building, and talked to the Administrator about them. I want to learn all I can about them. . I remember when we used to talk about, "who is your favorite temp." I never heard anyone choose Otis. But no one had anything bad to say about him either(me included). We loved ALL the temps. My problem With O came after the movie and book came out.

A couple of children (9&10) asked me "was it true that "David Ruffin, was a durg addict?" The little boy said he wanted to be a Temptation when he grow up. The little girl told him, just don't be David Ruffin, cause he was on drugs. She had an expression on her face as to say "David was a disgrace," That made me feel bad!!! At couple of other different times, people over 30yrs. have asked me was it true that David Ruffin was a trouble maker in the group?

This image of David(true or not) should not have been put out there like that. This is because of Os' book and movie. That's why I'm trying to learn all I can.

I hear you. As well you should. And you should re-read them after you come aoround here for a while. I just finished reading Raynona's book. Her story is incredible. I find that if I have a similar expirence in life and can relate to something someone else did..............its more credible. She just had too many details and too many people in her story for it not to be somewhat true......Yet, that being said, Berry gave her all of one line in his book...............then I read TRouble Man and Marvin Gaye speaks of her and what she gave to the company.............Smokey has nice things to say about her............yet this man that she started Motown with.......lived with........bore his child..................has one line in his book................you tell Me. So I read everything and compare.