[JoAnne]

ThaFunkyFakeTation said:

Given the fact that there were many other picture ID errors, I wouldn't totally put that on Otis. One would imagine Otis would have double-checked but who knows...

Ed

I Don't know how that works. It seems to me that O would have read the book and okayed what was printed.

[Temptress]

Well you can believe Otis, Tony Turner or GennaSapia Ruffin. What else do we have to go on? Really? I meant most of us don't know the Tempts personally...

[JoAnne]

Temptress said:

Well you can believe Otis, Tony Turner or GennaSapia Ruffin. What else do we have to go on? Really? I meant most of us don't know the Tempts personally...

You can believe Otis and Tony, if you want to. Genna wrote about her life with David. I don't know what went on behind closed doors. I haven't read Tony's book lately. I do know that there are errors in the book! Do some research. There's a lot of other books out there, plus articles and interviews you can listen to, and read. I think O was trying so hard to bad mouth, Eddie, Paul and David, that he stretched (lied) the truth!
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[Temptress]

I'm not saying Otis didn't lie . I have done research, I read the articles,read books and listened to the interviews. What I am saying is Otis has been a Tempt forever he gives personal accounts. We don't have a book from any other Tempts to compare too thats why we are so ready for Richard to write his book.

[JoAnne]

Well, I have to admit that O is the only Temp. that wrote a book. What I'm saying is you can compare what was written in other books and figure out that O lied a lot. My problem with O, is he was constanly putting Eddie, Paul and David down. And tried to make himself look good! He's worse that an politician. He claimed he loved them like brothers. Would you bad mouth someone you loved. like that? :nono I will be glad when Richard's book comes out.

[curet30]

Honey said:

Well, I have to admit that O is the only Temp. that wrote a book. What I'm saying is you can compare what was written in other books and figure out that O lied a lot. My problem with O, is he was constanly putting Eddie, Paul and David down. And tried to make himself look good! He's worse that an politician. He claimed he loved them like brothers. Would you bad mouth someone you loved. like that? I will be glad when Richard's book comes out.

Hi Honey,

I don't think Otis set out to bad-mouthed Eddie, Paul or David (in the first publication). It appears that Otis tried to describe more than one side of each Temptation to his best ability. It would be rather boring to read up on an indivual who does just one thing, for example, sing every night, go to the hotel room and go out the next night and sing. There's more to an entertainer than just singing every night.

It's like visiting your girlfriend for dinner everynight and everynight you have the same meal; rice & beans. Have her cook other meals like pasta, fish or chicken. If she cooks something you don't like, let her know; otherwise she will think you enjoy ALL her cooking and not saying anything is really saying EVERYTHING IS FINE (like saying all is well with the Temptations) when it isn't. Telling her you didn't like the meal is not bad mouthing her. Some actions other Temptations did were not to the liking of Otis but he didn't bad mouthed them.

[Aba21]

Honey said:

Well, I have to admit that O is the only Temp. that wrote a book. What I'm saying is you can compare what was written in other books and figure out that O lied a lot. My problem with O, is he was constanly putting Eddie, Paul and David down. And tried to make himself look good! He's worse that an politician. He claimed he loved them like brothers. Would you bad mouth someone you loved. like that? I will be glad when Richard's book comes out.

And don't be surprised if Richard's book tells some of the same stories the same way Otis did as well as say he sang behind the curtain for Paul which some people don't believe happened. You said it....I don't know what other books you read but nobody who was not in the group, traveled with them on a daily basis can tell the story better than someone in the group. I agree with Curet30, I don't think he set out to bad mouth anybody. It was well known he didn't get along with David and that he and Eddie clashed over different things. Hey Boys will be boys!!!!!! ;D

[JoAnne]

curet30 said:

Hi Honey,

I don't think Otis set out to bad-mouthed Eddie, Paul or David (in the first publication). It appears that Otis tried to describe more than one side of each Temptation to his best ability. It would be rather boring to read up on an indivual who does just one thing, for example, sing every night, go to the hotel room and go out the next night and sing. There's more to an entertainer than just singing every night.

It's like visiting your girlfriend for dinner everynight and everynight you have the same meal; rice & beans. Have her cook other meals like pasta, fish or chicken. If she cooks something you don't like, let her know; otherwise she will think you enjoy ALL her cooking and not saying anything is really saying EVERYTHING IS FINE (like saying all is well with the Temptations) when it isn't. Telling her you didn't like the meal is not bad mouthing her. Some actions other Temptations did were not to the liking of Otis but he didn't bad mouthed them.

You said ,"There's more to an entertainer than just singing every night" I argee. There's more than drugs also!
Maybe if you lie about the beans and rice, you might get a good girlfriend. If it worked for O's book, It just might work for you.

What does all that of have to do with, erros in the book. That is the topic.

[JoAnne]

Aba21 said:

And don't be surprised if Richard's book tells some of the same stories the same way Otis did as well as say he sang behind the curtain for Paul which some people don't believe happened. You said it....I don't know what other books you read but nobody who was not in the group, traveled with them on a daily basis can tell the story better than someone in the group. I agree with Curet30, I don't think he set out to bad mouth anybody. It was well known he didn't get along with David and that he and Eddie clashed over different things. Hey Boys will be boys!!!!!! ;D

You said, "If Richard tells some of the same stories the same way Otis did, as well as he sang behind the curtian for Paul which some people don't believe happen, " Okay, what's the point with that statement? Is it an error in the book or what? What are you talking about when you said, quote: " You said it...." What did I say? there are other people that did not travel with the C5 on a daily basis that have written books about their experience with the Temps. They didn't bad-mouth any body! Quantity does not = Quality!
It was not well known of the problems the C5 had until the book and movie came out. There are two generations that did not know! And as far as boys will be boys ::)http://www.temptsinfo.com/smilies/censored.gif[/IMG]

What does any of this have to do with Errors in the book

[Temptress]

Aba21 said:

And don't be surprised if Richard's book tells some of the same stories the same way Otis did as well as say he sang behind the curtain for Paul which some people don't believe happened. You said it....I don't know what other books you read but nobody who was not in the group, traveled with them on a daily basis can tell the story better than someone in the group. I agree with Curet30, I don't think he set out to bad mouth anybody. It was well known he didn't get along with David and that he and Eddie clashed over different things. Hey Boys will be boys!!!!!! ;D

Funny I thought the same thing about Richards book!

[Elbridge]

None of those books are completely honest. We are dealing with human beings that have their own interests to protect. The books do serve their purpose in that they drive the readers to do further research on their own. Not a bad thing, really.

Ed

[EddiesLuv]

ThaFunkyFakeTation said:

None of those books are completely honest. We are dealing with human beings that have their own interests to protect. The books do serve their purpose in that they drive the readers to do further research on their own. Not a bad thing, really.

Ed

Agreed.

However, when there isn't much to go on out there in a format like the book or a movie, the book can become the last word on the subject. No one has come forth with another side to the story yet. I personally don't want to see more scandal and demise. I want to see more of the group as a group. How the music was made, life on the road, the musicians and the producers roles. Not dramatization but facts. What Ruffin had to offer to the group had to be more than his ego. The man was electrifying in every sense of the word. He should be celebrated not downgraded. The same with Paul, Melvin, Dennis and Eddie each of their contributions should be highlighted not overshadowed by their personal problems and conflicts. Their music and singing and performing was a phenemon in and of itself. There is a story there if someone would care to tell it.

[ghostman]

I don't think Otis put Paul down at any time in the book. He acknowledges Paul as the "true Temptation". The problems with being sick and drinking too much were mentioned because it definitely had an adverse effect on the group, with him missing practice, and having trouble on stage. Paul's character was spoken very highly of in my opinion, whereas David and Eddie come in for criticism.

[Jammo]

ghostman said:

I don't think Otis put Paul down at any time in the book. He acknowledges Paul as the "true Temptation". The problems with being sick and drinking too much were mentioned because it definitely had an adverse effect on the group, with him missing practice, and having trouble on stage. Paul's character was spoken very highly of in my opinion, whereas David and Eddie come in for criticism.

I agree.

[kalisa2]

ghostman said:

I don't think Otis put Paul down at any time in the book. He acknowledges Paul as the "true Temptation". The problems with being sick and drinking too much were mentioned because it definitely had an adverse effect on the group, with him missing practice, and having trouble on stage. Paul's character was spoken very highly of in my opinion,.

Thank you, ghostman I've tried to say that several times, that those things directly affected the group and spoke to why "The Soul of the Temptations" was no longer in the group, or performing with the group.

I had a problem, for a while, with the way one of the highlights of Paul's career ("For Once In My Life") was portrayed in the movie as a drunken stupor at a party, and blamed Otis for that. He didn't put it that way in the book, and as we've determined, he had very little say-so as far as movie scripting went. (I still have a problem with that portrayal, I just don't blame Otis for it anymore )