RACIST PROM IN GOOD OL' GEORGIA

[Ivory Fair]

first of all, nobody on this board has been implicated or been insinuated to be of the same persuasion as the folks in that albany georgia situation.


Yeah, but it doesn't matter. Your statement was as hurtful to me as if I'd said, "Italian Americans are such and such."

however, most of the history of black -white conflict has been concentrated in the south.

No, most of Jim Crow segregation was concentrated in the south. If everything was so hunky dory in the north, then why were there so many race riots in the 20th century, MOST of which took place in northern cities. Everybody's got issues ........ EVERYWHERE.

I'm not arguing that the south has issues to work on, I'm saying the ENTIRE country does and you have NO right to point fingers like you did.

[sukkafu]

IVORY- I TRULY APOLOGIZE FOR OFFENDING YOU!PLEASE FORGIVE ME! DON'T TAKE WHAT I SAID AS A SLAP AT SOUTHERNERS. I'VE GOT NO ANIMOSITY TOWARDS THE SOUTH! BUT THESE ARE THE HISTORICAL FACTS- george wallace stood in the way of the national guard in ALABAMA, when that little black girl wanted to go to school. oops, that's NOT a lie made up by SUKKAFU!STROM THURMOND of SOUTH CAROLINA started the dixiecrats to destroy the CIVIL RIGHTS BILL. that's NOT another smear campaign by me.MEDGAR EVERS- IN MISSISSIPPI. YOUR OWN DAD WASN'T MARCHING IN DETROIT! OR NYC! OR BOSTON! OR PHILLY!

my father who's jewish had a territory that ran from nyc and long island all the way to charlotte, gastonia, raleigh durham, and west virginia, and to blacksburg virginia.
he would tell us stories of BILLBOARDS in the 1990's that still announced WHITE CITIZENS meetings in north carolina. he saw signs saying welcome to gastonia, catholics and jews stay out! this is not 50's or 60's -this is 1993 we're talking about! he was constantly barraged with the n word even though as an official for the machinists union he worked with blacks and whites
the whites would call them n's thinking my dad was just like them! when he told then he was a new york jew they almost passed out!

californians hate too! so do folks in ohio, pa, ill, everywhere. but the racism is still so PUBLIC in the south that the perception will die hard for a long time to come.

[Ivory Fair]

Sukka, one question........ Have you ever heard the phrase..... "The south hates the race but loves the individual and the north hates the individual but loves the race."

If you can find me somewhere that racism isn't prevalent lemme know, I wanna move there.

And no hard feelings, you know that.

[sukkafu]

one place i know where there's no racism sweetie is in your heart and in constance's heart! the rest of us i'm not so sure...

[Ivory Fair]

thank you Sukka, but there's racism in ALL of our hearts, well, maybe not the baby's, but go back and read that article about Jane Elliot and you'll see what I mean. All we can do is try to overcome it.

[tdallasw]

As I said earlier, the Southern species of racist, 'Billybobus Rednecksus" is just a lot more vocal amd more visible. Spouting off ignorant rhetoric about them uppity n*****s not knowing there place and infringin' on the rights of decent white folks. Other members of the species may be wearing Armani instead of flannel shirts, drinking Chardonnay or Pinot Noir instead of PBR's or Bud, and eating caviar instead of Slim Jims and pork rinds, and their acts of racism may be harder to detect - but don't fool yourself - racism is alive and well in all corners of the good ol' USA.
Sukkafu- if more people in this country were like you and all the other members of this Board, we could all say with real confidence that this would be a WONDERFUL place to live.

[sukkafu]

tdalgalpal-smooch and a half!

ivory- i remember that from way back where the kids hated those who didn't have the same eye color as theirs. it really is powerful.

the problem i have with conti is she thinks EVERYBODY is a relative of hers so she tries to give complete strangers hugs and kisses and make them give her some back, which sometimes takes them aback, but she's so lovable she doesn't understand when people don't respond to her in kind.

[Ivory Fair]

Yeah now that could be a problem. It's dangerous these days for kids to be TOO friendly.

I don't know about that dallas, about racists in the south being more vocal than racists in other parts of the country. The birthplace of the KKK is a couple of hours from here and whenever there are rallies the KKK members are from else where, not even from the South. I think the rule rather than the exception are the regular, "GOOD" folks who have no problem with, say, black kids going to school with their white kids, they just don't want them to date. .......... To me they're more dangerous than any KKK idiot could ever be. A Klansman may spit in your face, but you never know when your neighbor, who claims to "not be racist" is gonna stab you in the back.

[selfishreasons]

tdallasw said:

As I said earlier, the Southern species of racist, 'Billybobus Rednecksus" is just a lot more vocal amd more visible. Spouting off ignorant rhetoric about them uppity n*****s not knowing there place and infringin' on the rights of decent white folks. Other members of the species may be wearing Armani instead of flannel shirts, drinking Chardonnay or Pinot Noir instead of PBR's or Bud, and eating caviar instead of Slim Jims and pork rinds, and their acts of racism may be harder to detect - but don't fool yourself - racism is alive and well in all corners of the good ol' USA.
Sukkafu- if more people in this country were like you and all the other members of this Board, we could all say with real confidence that this would be a WONDERFUL place to live.

I don't live in the south, so maybe that's true. But from what i've seen in my visits to the south, which used to be more frequent than it is now, is that the south (at least where I've been) seems pretty hospitable. My parents own real estate in Charlestons South Carolina, while mt ex if from outside of Greenville and went to school in Columbia. When I used to go down o any of the places, I never for one moment encountered any form of resentment, a dirty look or anything. And I've been going down there since I was 7 years old and stopped about two three years ago.

Now, Up here, I have seen my share. Now, I live in an majority white neighborhoos. There are only about a half dozen non-white families in my neighborhood. And I have been shouted some very terrible things. Of course, I don't stand for it, and give the peice of mind that I have on me. And even since I can remember I have encountered very negative things as it concerns my race. Which I don't take lightly, so I make every possible assumption before I claim something is racial.

It seems that as far as the racial and backwards thinking goes, that it's really bad in New York. But of course I don't live in other areas. But what I do know is that race is a social construct, which is predicated by nothing more than physical features or to some it's social location, class and physical features. But it seems that making assumptions about people based on physicality is pretty stupid. Funny, how we still do it.

About 3 years ago a bunch of friends of mine went on vaction to the Dominican Republis. Nice trip, even though some bad things happened to my friends. It was my friends Ron, Wendell and Little Spike. We decided to go to see some ruins and stuff on a tour. Which I didn't want to see, because I had seem them the first time I went.

Now, Spike is a white kid from South Bronx and aside from this trip and being in Philly, he literally never left the bronx. When people would ask him where he was born and raised, he'd say the bronx. And if you asked him about anything else, he'd say listen I am from the bronx. Now, my other friends who went are both Black, but had never been to NY.

Now, we get on a bus from our resort to go to the resort and there is this White Guy, who must have been 18 or so. We knew he was slightly younger than us. We got into a conversation with this White guy on the bus and we all told each other about ourselves and where we were all from. Spike's story was specifically compelling because it was one of poverty and poor education. Though, I must say he does pretty well for himself now, considering his past.

Anyway, this tour a trip was for about half a day and this new White Kid wed had met, starting asking us pretty odd questions toward the end of the trip. Like he kept asking Spike questions like, how is the Museum of Modern Art and the Met and have you ever been to the Opera? He started asking us, questions like, have you been to compton and the Apollo and he even asked Wendell have you ever been in a Drug House?

His assumption of us, was that even though Spike was from Bronx and never left the bronx, but to go on this trip and move to philly for school was that he was more cultured than the Black guys, who's parents were professors, doctors and engineers. What this was is a perfect case of judging a person merely on the color of skin. And it was a very silly assumption, because at the end of the tour Spike said "what the [heck] is wrong with you? I told you I ain't never left the Bronx? Why don't you ask them those questions? Are you trying to embarass me?"

See race based assumptions are just fools and pretty embrassing to everyone. Just not a good practice. So, when I see a story like the one, Sukka has presented, it just burns me. It's not cool to be a biggot or to do casual acts or racial profiling (which happened on my trip). Race is a very sensitive thing. Mostly because people refuse to get aquainted with the realities of peace, love, passion and understanding. Understanding is a big one.

[Dbaby]

Do you think it is possible to be racist againse racist people? Or would that be like hating yourself?

[earthangel]

That's a good question Baby. I think you can, even though "racist people" aren't a race. But yeah, to an extent some people tend to have a prejudice against them and how they think and act

[sukkafu]

it is funny how things have changed. when i was growing up, there were italian neighborhoods, puerto rican neioghborhoods, jewish neighborhoods, irish, german, russian, chinatown, black nieghborhoods, etc.
everybody lived in an ethnoc neighborhood. people had emigrated from different countries and naturally gravitated to their particular culture, since they were in a strange new land very different froim their own.

it was in these ethnic burgs that gangs cropped up with territories established and boundaries crossed by rival gangs causing wars and ethnic pride.

this weekend it's cinco de mayo, which is a mexican holiday- funny- but it's not very big in mexico but huge here in california and the southwest like texas and arizona.
we have st. patrick's day for the irish. i think people of all cultures celebrate cinco de mayo and st. patty 's day for the fun and probably for the beer consumption.
columbus day brings out the italian americans in nyc for a huge parade.

cultures and ethnicities are wonderful things to adhere to . we should rejoice and celebrate the beauty of them, not put down or destroy each other's skin or background. -easier said than done.

[selfishreasons]

You couldn't be more right. People shouldn't let their pride in their ethnicities further destroy the fabric of society, but should use it to help build understanding and love.

[DramaLJDiva]

Since I have lived in integrated neighborhoods all my life, went to integrated schools, had and still have friends of all races and cultures...racism both disgusts and shocks me. I am 100% for interracial dating; what's wrong with it? Some feel that people need to stick with others of their race, however, I think that love exceeds all barriers. Two people are in love; why does it matter what race they are from? I'd never want to go to a segregated school, church, or live in a segregated neighborhood, or have friends of only one color or culture.

[sukkafu]

well, i am married to elise who is of puerto rican descent with a mixture of black, indian, and french and spanish blood. she is dark skinned. my son james is black puerto rican married to a light skinned mexican woman.

my mother is italian married to a ukrainian jew.
my brother keith is an italian/ jewish / muslim married to an indonesian muslim.

my friend don is married to a mexican lady. my friend john is married to a brazilian lady. my friend alonzo is a black with cherokee blood married to a white italian lady sandy.

my friend villi is a tongan married to an irish woman.
my friend pete is a tongan maried to another irish english white lady.
my friend mbutu is a soccer player from ghana and he's married to a white lady.

my friend manie is thai and she's married to greg who's guamanian.

my friend dustin is married to a chilean woman.

my friend patrick is black married to jennifer who is white. jennifer's mom is married to a black man.

my friend jared is white married to maryann who is argentine.
my friend norma is mexican who's married to a white guy.
my friend nancy is white married to george who is mexican and mixed.

ALL BUT TWO OF THE ABOVE COUPLES MENTIONED HAVE CHILDREN. ALL THE CHILDREN ARE ABSOLUTELY STUNNING. THE COMBINATION OF RACES HAVE WORKED
JUST FINE.