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Post by Peach on Apr 21, 2004 22:56:05 GMT -5
The love on this board is just palpable lately, ain't it. I feel a group stabbing coming on. Geez... Ed :hug :bonk: :hug :bonk: Peach |
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Ughan Ali
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Post by Ughan Ali on Apr 21, 2004 23:17:24 GMT -5
You need to wake up and listen. Eddie is in the background on "Isn't She Pretty" and that leading voice has always struck me as different from Eddie's. Yes Eddie had variations with his voice in the beginning, but that one doesn't even match at all. The voice on "Mind over Matter" is clearly Eddie's and I have never had any doubts over that one. "She's a natural-born doll now" doesn't even sound like Eddie's natural voice. No sir, you have to come better than that, "She's a natural-born doll now" IS 100% EDDIE KENDRICKS, I just listened to it, and if you truly knew Eddie's voice you could tell that is him. |
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Post by Cadeho on Apr 22, 2004 7:24:49 GMT -5
Fine, it's Eddie and he has 1000 voices.
Elbridge Bryant was a mute and a no-show. The fakest of Temptations, next to Otis.
I'd sure like to know who that is that sounds like Eddie in the background of that song... wait! It's Eddie!
The Temptations before David joined were Melvin, Otis, Eddie 1, Paul, and Eddie 2. Al was only there for publicity pictures since Eddie couldn't clone himself.
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Post by janebse on Apr 22, 2004 8:00:36 GMT -5
So clever, Cadeho. That's the perfect answer.
None of the Motown historians and/or musicians have ever said that Kell Osborne sounded like Al Bryant. I have no idea where that comment or thought came from. Kell has nothing to do with our wanting to identify Al's voice.
Some have said Al sounded like Ted Taylor, but it's all in the ears of the listener, and it would be far more accurate to actually have Al's voice identified and then go from there.
Still, since we are curious as to what Al sounded like, I think our best bet is talking to someone like Pee Wee Crawford. He sang with Al in two different groups. If he could identify Al's voice on a particular record, you would have a base from which to pick out Al's voice on other records. It's a good question, a real research question.
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Ughan Ali
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Post by Ughan Ali on Apr 22, 2004 8:07:54 GMT -5
Fine, it's Eddie and he has 1000 voices. Elbridge Bryant was a mute and a no-show. The fakest of Temptations, next to Otis. I'd sure like to know who that is that sounds like Eddie in the background of that song... wait! It's Eddie! The Temptations before David joined were Melvin, Otis, Eddie 1, Paul, and Eddie 2. Al was only there for publicity pictures since Eddie couldn't clone himself. Stop being smart where do you hear Eddie in the background I Hear the group, if you knew Eddie you would know that was him co-leading with Paul, I still say you arguement makes no sense, if Al was a high tenor like on this song then why in the world would Otis even merged with Eddie and Paul if he already had a high tenor voice??? Yeah there are groups, who have singers who sing in the same range, but look at the temptations: Melvin - Bass Eddie - First/High Tenor Paul - Baritone Otis - First Tenor, Second Tenor, Baritone, and Occasional lead singer (lol :  Al - Second Tenor Do some more research, Al was a second tenor, not a high tenor. |
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Post by Cadeho on Apr 22, 2004 9:19:29 GMT -5
I just happens that way sometimes and it did with the Tempts. However, while it makes no sense to have two of the same thing (would love to see a group with two basses! lol), it didn't mean that both had to sing the exact same notes at the same time every time. In this case for "Isn't She Pretty," things were switched. It is not out of the realm of possibility that Al could have sang ONCE in a screeching falsetto.
Where do I hear Eddie in the background? It's his falsetto that's apparent as always. Perhaps you being new probably don't know and Mike has forgotten (or refused to read) what I have said in the past that when I listen to a song, I go deeper than just listening. I separate the voices and can listen to whoever I want with concentration. I've done that ever since I was little. I do the same thing to the music (I believe I've state that about the music in my thread "Listening to the Funk Brothers play on" where I talked about separating the different instruments and listening to whatever they play). I don't hear a unified group singing making it hard to tell who's who in "Isn't She Pretty" ("Not Now I'll Tell You Later" is a different story although I definitely hear Diana and Flo).
I say I do know Eddie's voice through the recordings, video and audio. Back in 1999 when I first listened to EOS, I wasn't familiar with anyone's voice. I know I thought Otis' into to "Check Yourself" was Eddie before I listened intently to each song over and over and over and over again, no matter where I was. My roommate that year and I fought over my having played EOS for nine months nearly everyday. I took it with me in my walkman. I walked all over campus with Tempts in my ear. I'd rewind songs and pick them apart. I do this. I study the music I listen to. Eventually I became familiar with the voices.
Then I bought the lost and found album in November 1999 and listened to "Camouflage" and "My Pillow" both of which surprised me as Eddie's voice. I listened for the nuances in his various voices in different songs. Then in 2000, my aunt bought me "Meet the Temptations" and my first run through "Isn't She Pretty" hit me. That was a different voice. It didn't sound like the same voice on "Paradise" "Oh Mother of Mine" or any of the others. I debated with myself over if it was Eddie or Al for two years.
I compiled all the songs I had at the time from 1961-1963 in chronological order or the best I could do in order to listen to how the style of music and the voices change over time. In 2002 I updated that compilation to include the songs off "Gettin' Ready" and two songs from the 25th Anniversary album. I listen to the background, I listen to the leads, I listen to the Funk Brothers, I try to "sing" along! I do all this to familiarize myself, so no, I didn't just come here and say "I think that's Al I hear." I have listened to these songs over and over and analyzed them as much as I could. In fact, ALL that I have listend to in the past week has been that compilation, particularly "Isn't She Pretty." On my way to work last night and the two nights before it, that song played over and over for twenty minutes.
I think, maybe it is Eddie. I listen to it and it doesn't seem to sound like Eddie. Not only that I hear Eddie on this side. I really do try to doubt what I hear and believe, but nothing has convinced me otherwise. If there is a possibility of something being other than what most think, "A is like this, A is always like this, therefore nothing else can be A," I am not going to follow that crowd. The world has a way to switch things on you without you even knowing.
So I am being stubborn here because there is a possibility they threw Al a small bone. Do you have something against Al?
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Post by curet30 on Apr 22, 2004 10:06:53 GMT -5
No sir, you have to come better than that, "She's a natural-born doll now" IS 100% EDDIE KENDRICKS, I just listened to it, and if you truly knew Eddie's voice you could tell that is him. Ughan Ali, It has been said DAVID RUFFIN was not on that recording but in the 20+ years I have heard that song, I could swear it was DAVID singing "she's a natural born now". |
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Post by curet30 on Apr 22, 2004 10:11:45 GMT -5
However, while it makes no sense to have two of the same thing (would love to see a group with two basses! lol), ... Actually.... The Monotones had TWO bass singers and were featured on 'Who Wrote The Book Of Love?' in the beginning "I wonder - wonder, oh, ba-doe-doe who?,who wrote the book of love?" |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Apr 22, 2004 11:33:35 GMT -5
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Post by Nupeman88 on Apr 22, 2004 13:22:12 GMT -5
I was sitting right next to YOU. Don't you remember?  Like I have always said that you are a funny guy Mike. Truth be told, I was dead serious about what I said you seeing Al perform.  |
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Post by Nupeman88 on Apr 22, 2004 13:33:14 GMT -5
Actually.... The Monotones had TWO bass singers and were featured on 'Who Wrote The Book Of Love?' in the beginning "I wonder - wonder, oh, ba-doe-doe who?,who wrote the book of love?"I guess that's why they called themselves the Monotones, huh? ;D |
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Ughan Ali
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Post by Ughan Ali on Apr 22, 2004 15:11:35 GMT -5
I hear Eddie on lead, the other 4 tempts in the background (no high tenor in the background by the way) then Paul comes in at the end. I'm telling you now that Al was a 2nd tenor not a high tenor. |
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Post by Cadeho on Apr 22, 2004 15:40:22 GMT -5
"Dream Come True" didn't call for two.
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Post by Ughan Ali on Apr 22, 2004 15:49:29 GMT -5
"Dream Come True" didn't call for two. lol  |
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Post by Elbridge on Apr 22, 2004 16:04:06 GMT -5
One more time...
Al was a floating tenor.
Ed
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