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Post by Peach on May 25, 2004 22:34:30 GMT -5
Ahhh, but Bobby and David were both SUPERMAN. I'm sure they didn't foresee addiction.... so it would have been done without a thought. It would be one thing if someone was clearly a recovered alcoholic or addict and you offered this after the fact. (Even then, though, addicts don't always act like friends...in their selfishness, they don't want to use alone. It's nothing personal.)
Peach
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Post by ZeldaFScott on May 25, 2004 22:38:22 GMT -5
Ahhh, but Bobby and David were both SUPERMAN. I'm sure they didn't foresee addiction.... so it would have been done without a thought. It would be one thing if someone was clearly a recovered alcoholic or addict and you offered this after the fact. (Even then, though, addicts don't always act like friends...in their selfishness, they don't want to use alone. It's nothing personal.) Peach That's what I meant when I said that such friendships are often based on the "my misery wants company" principle ... |
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Post by Aba21 on May 26, 2004 6:58:32 GMT -5
One drink won't turn you into an alcoholic and one sniff of cocaine won't turn you into an addict......you can make your own choices........if by doing something with someone turns you that way, then your mind was weak from the start. I don't blame anyone for my choices in life but myself. I have a friend from college who introduced me to many things and we have been friends for 30 years.....he didn't force me......I chose to participate. And then I chose not to. Why should I blame him? You are so wrong in your blaming Bobby for David's woes it's ridiculous.
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Post by Peach on May 26, 2004 8:01:59 GMT -5
That's what I meant when I said that such friendships are often based on the "my misery wants company" principle ... And some friendships are based on being young, stupid, and wanting to have a good time.  Peach |
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Post by Peach on May 26, 2004 8:08:33 GMT -5
One drink won't turn you into an alcoholic and one sniff of cocaine won't turn you into an addict......you can make your own choices........if by doing something with someone turns you that way, then your mind was weak from the start. I don't blame anyone for my choices in life but myself. I have a friend from college who introduced me to many things and we have been friends for 30 years.....he didn't force me......I chose to participate. And then I chose not to. Why should I blame him? You are so wrong in your blaming Bobby for David's woes it's ridiculous. I agree with you here, Aba.... in that we all have choices and are free to make them. The only thing I take slight issue with is "one sniff of cocaine won't turn you into an addict." Or that one's "mind is weak" if it does. Speaking from experience (from looooooong ago--I know--BIG shock :shocked ), it is my opinion that an old grandma could get hooked on coke, it's that powerful. (Provided she *chose* to take a sniff!) It's not about having a strong mind.... the way that cocaine affects your body is an evil thing. Highly addictive drug. I also think that, although one drink won't make *me* an alcoholic, as I don't have that tendency.... I do think there are people who have a family/genetic history who *can* quickly go down that road after just the first drink. That being said..... I don't think A. As much was talked about back then and B. Young people are invincible, like I was saying, right? They all think they are Superman and want to learn by doing instead of by wise advice. David and Bobby are no different. And that still doesn't take away one's freedom of choice. I don't blame *anyone* but my stupid self for any of the choices I made in my 20s. Peach |
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Post by Aba21 on May 26, 2004 8:12:23 GMT -5
Yes, it makes a lot of sense. Would you call someone a friend who knew that offering you a drink most likely turned you into an alcoholic? I wouldn't. I'm not an alcoholic or a drug addict. I did both in college and I turned out fine. And what in the world makes you think that everyone who's doing drugs is miserable.........it may appear that way to you cause i suppose you don't and have never done drugs......but people have for years and then gave them up and they weren't miserable......they just made another life choice........it happens everyday. I just don't blame my friends for my choices in life and I don't *even* see how you can blame David's. |
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Post by Aba21 on May 26, 2004 8:17:23 GMT -5
I agree with you here, Aba.... in that we all have choices and are free to make them. The only thing I take slight issue with is "one sniff of cocaine won't turn you into an addict." Or that one's "mind is weak" if it does. Speaking from experience (from looooooong ago--I know--BIG shock  ), it is my opinion that an old grandma could get hooked on coke, it's that powerful. (Provided she *chose* to take a sniff!) It's not about having a strong mind.... the way that cocaine affects your body is an evil thing. Highly addictive drug. I also think that, although one drink won't make *me* an alcoholic, as I don't have that tendency.... I do think there are people who have a family/genetic history who *can* quickly go down that road after just the first drink. That being said..... I don't think A. As much was talked about back then and B. Young people are invincible, like I was saying, right? They all think they are Superman and want to learn by doing instead of by wise advice. David and Bobby are no different. And that still doesn't take away one's freedom of choice. I don't blame *anyone* but my stupid self for any of the choices I made in my 20s. Peach No shock Peach.....we've all been there and done that with something in life.......but the important thing is you didn't lose your mind and was able at some point *grow* out of it. YOu now are a contributor in a positive way in society. |
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Post by Peach on May 26, 2004 8:22:50 GMT -5
No shock Peach.....we've all been there and done that with something in life.......but the important thing is you didn't lose your mind and was able at some point *grow* out of it. YOu now are a contributor in a positive way in society. ![]() temptsinfo.com/smilies/wtg.gif![]() That's right! I am! ;D ;D ;D hee!!! I went through a bit of hard times.....but I learned a lot. Peach |
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Post by kalisa2 on May 26, 2004 9:47:14 GMT -5
Soooooooooooooo...the question remains... has anybody on besides GD, Mike, me and Aba ever listened to the song that brought on all this "blame Bobby Womack for everything wrong in David Ruffin's world that wasn't caused by Otis" malarkey? besides being a talented singer, Bobby is a 'dead-on' mimic, he has an Ali "woooo hoohoo hoooo" in there as well as a Ruffin-rasp. (He didn't even try for Eddie, to his credit  ) how about "Trust Your Heart" feat. David Ruffin? |
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Post by Aba21 on May 26, 2004 10:43:21 GMT -5
Soooooooooooooo...the question remains... has anybody on besides GD, Mike, me and Aba ever listened to the song that brought on all this "blame Bobby Womack for everything wrong in David Ruffin's world that wasn't caused by Otis" malarkey? besides being a talented singer, Bobby is a 'dead-on' mimic, he has an Ali "woooo hoohoo hoooo" in there as well as a Ruffin-rasp. (He didn't even try for Eddie, to his credit ) how about "Trust Your Heart" feat. David Ruffin? And he can do a hellofa Sam Cooke as well............ |
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Post by ZeldaFScott on May 26, 2004 10:55:33 GMT -5
Looks like we all got a different definiton of "friend." But most of all, didn' Bobby have a choice, too? He, for example, could have said "No, David, don't use that stuff. It'll turn your life into a nightmare. I KNOW. I am your friend and asking you not to do it." Now, that's what a friend is supposed to do ... if he/she wants to be considered a friend in my eyes.
It does not lessen Bobby's guilt to say he was younger than David or he was just having fun ... these are lame excuses, in my opinion. People who knowingly drag another person into a bad situation are simply mean-spirited. Period.
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Post by ZeldaFScott on May 26, 2004 11:12:33 GMT -5
I am not blaming Bobby for David's bad choices. I am just saying that I don't consider such people FRIENDS. They are not interested in the well being of the other person -- they do not care whether the other person ends up on a dung hill or in prison -- they are indifferent to this person. Friends are just the opposite!
And if I were a member of David's family, having experienced the havoc his drug addiction caused them all, I would consider Bobby's "Forever Love" dedication a slap in the face. To me it would almost appear as if he were mocking me ... Sorry, that's how I feel about it.
Now you go on and discuss what choices David had ... I say Bobby had a choice, too. And he chose no to be a friend but an $@*&^%$
And to me it would not have mattered if someone else "could have done it." To me (again as someone witnessing the ruin of a loved-one) it would only have mattered who actually had turned him on. And only on this said person, I could concentrate my hatred and disgust ... I think that's only natural.
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