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Post by Ivory Fair on Mar 10, 2003 0:56:45 GMT -5
ummmm...something about "the legacy lives on"?
And just HOW does one make money off of a legacy when they're six foot under?
And don't get me wrong, I'm not BLAMING my One true LOve for wanting to make money. Goodness knows that's the ONLY reason I go to work every day.
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Post by Ivory Fair on Mar 10, 2003 1:04:21 GMT -5
Huh? No we haven't, not on the "Kalisa's Who Sings What" rule. ............. If we did I was asleep or something!  |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Mar 10, 2003 1:09:38 GMT -5
so you admit that Otis is about, and ONLY about, making money for himself? Nope, just that he likes to make money. Don't you?  That he cares not what happens to the group and the name he's worked for for 40+ years after he's no longer performing with them? Oh yeah, I think he cares and that's exactly why I don't think he's gonna groom ANYONE to take it over when he's gone. I was once told by someone who knew what they were talking about "if something happens to Otis, that's it, the show's over." I'm sure we'd all like to see Ron Tyson and the Ron-ettes go Tempt walking off into the sunset, but short of having Motown's backing, he's gonna be out there just like Dennis and Ali are now.
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Post by Ivory Fair on Mar 10, 2003 1:11:02 GMT -5
Ok then, well the NEW rule is "don't have imporant discussions when Ivory's out shopping!" ;D
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Post by sukkafu on Mar 10, 2003 2:11:15 GMT -5
SUKKAFU'S TURN- 1- i am nobody's spokesperson. if i agree with someone i agree with them. i don't like it when you gang up on someone either.  2- you make all these assumptions about Otis this and Otis that. ive, you are re-reading his book. Otis said whatever he's going to say-he's revised it and he added some new items but he had his chance to correct the misinformation from 1988 and the distortions. when you read his book, it may be right or wrong, but it's Otis' book. nobody twisted his arm to write it, and nobody has to wonder how he feels in it or what he's about. he lays it right there for you. whether it's truth, cock and bull or just fluff, he chose the words and he chose to publish it. we chose to buy it. some of us with no history have been learning from others with history about some of the other opinions and facts. 3- mike, Otis is not the evil emperor of soul. he's doing things his way. i don't like it that glenn,richard, ali, damon, louis, and dennis aren't in the group. i think it would really make the tempts even more popular to have a reunion of sorts or to put it this way- if you had otis, damon, dennis, and richard together, you'd have 4 of the 5 ''original '' singers of papa, hey girl, superstar, masterpiece, and that would be pretty cool. you could add harry or whomever. 4- ivory, Otis is naturally going to pick ron because at the show last year he introduced ron as being with him the longest, which was 19 yrs at the time. 5- kalisa, the ''new '' temptations are what they should be called, even though Otis has a legal right to the use of the name. i like the ''new'' temptations-they sound good and they put on a nice show. i'll never confuse them with the classic 5 or hof6. only Otis will i put in that other category.  6- the review can sing STAY all they want to and if you don't like it, you can LEAVE! ;D 7-ABA-i'd be happy if you and mike sang and did the walk - i'd pay up to 8 or 9 dollars! at least i know you guys would not call yourselves tempts and would put on a good show! 8- you elected yourself the analogy analyzer. your analogy was pretty good about the u.s. senate- in fact it was so good it was almost as good as mike's!  |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Mar 10, 2003 2:40:14 GMT -5
i don't like it when you gang up on someone either.How can I gang up on someone BY MYSELF? Or are you like Mike, thinking me, Jane, dallas and Kim are all the same person? ;D 2- you make all these assumptions about Otis this and Otis that. ive,...............I'm sorry Sukka, but I'm missing your point here.  ivory, Otis is naturally going to pick ron because at the show last year he introduced ron as being with him the longest, which was 19 yrs at the time. I hate to tell you this sweetheart, but when it comes to the Tempts, there's no such thing as tenure. Look where 20 years got Richard.
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Post by MikeNYC on Mar 10, 2003 5:07:31 GMT -5
No doubt Otis probably wanted him out but I don't think he had the power to do it alone.
Come on now Aba, you know Otis is single-handedly responsible for David leaving, Eddie leaving, Paul leaving, everybody leaving, the war in Vietnam, the gas price surge of the 1970's, heat waves, snow storms, pestulance, famine, death, destruction, the 2000 Florida ballot fiasco, the 1919 Chicago Black Sox scandal, the Hedi Bowl, AND the alternator going out on my car last month just to name a few things! ;D TEXT Just David,Eddie And Paul leaving But seriously, Mikey, here's what I still don't understand. Why do you make such a BIG deal about the Tempts singing songs "they didn't record" when one of them DID record on them, yet you say nothing about the Review singing the same songs when NONE of them were on the original recordings. ..... Who are you talking about,Otis's group ,or Dennis's group? Dennis recorded them,and sang lead. All I said is that Otis should sing the current songs so the current members can get their own identity,the more songs that you sing in concert that you sang on when it was recorded,the better you will sound. That's common sense ! And the truth . |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Mar 10, 2003 5:25:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry Mike, I should have been more specific. I'm referring to songs like "Beauty's Only Skin Deep" or "Wish it Would Rain," that Dennis did NOT sing lead on (in regards to the original recordings) yet the Review still does a wonderful job with. Oh, and what's the song that Kalisa was bragging on getting to hear David sing in NYC? "You'll Lose a Precious Love"? THOSE are the songs I'm talking about.
All I said is that Otis should sing the current songs so the current members can get their own identity,
That's a valid point (although not one I necessarily agree with) but doesn't it work the same way for the Review? Equity, that's all I'm asking of you babe!
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Post by iratherlikeme on Mar 10, 2003 9:06:18 GMT -5
It seems logical, with their name (Review), for them to sing songs (all of 'em) made famous by the group they're reviewing.
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Post by kim on Mar 10, 2003 10:20:04 GMT -5
I'm missing something here.....doesn't the current lineup of Temptations sing songs from their last 3 cd's??? Well at least the times I've seen them in concert they have.
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Post by sukkafu on Mar 10, 2003 11:14:53 GMT -5
yes, otis' group does sing songs from their last 3 cd's but that's not their only repertoire. most of their show consists of the classics. it would be interesting to see them become famous for their 1995-2003 songs instead of their predecessor's hits.
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Post by Aba21 on Mar 10, 2003 11:23:31 GMT -5
tHEY ARE SINGING THEIR OWN SONGS AND MAYBE 20 YEARS FROM NOW THOSE SONGS WILL BE CLASSICS LIKE THE ONES THE ORIGINALS MADES 35 OR 40 YEARS AGO. IT'S TASKES TIME TO BECOME A CLASSIC AND WE WON'T BE THE JUDGE OF THAT! ME AND YOU WILL BE SHOOTING HOOP WITH MIKE UP ON THE BB COURT IN THE SKY! ;D
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Post by Ivory Fair on Mar 10, 2003 13:14:16 GMT -5
And I don't think Ron will be a Richard because he seems to be happy with his financial situation whjich it was about with Richard ALi and many of the others.
So maybe he learned his lesson because of what happened to Richard?
If Otis isn't looking out for the other guys who have committed to the Temp[tations I will be pissed off.
And maybe that's WHY Richard wasn't happy with his financial situation?
it would be interesting to see them become famous for their 1995-2003 songs instead of their predecessor's hits.
Again, I don't understand WHY this is such a difficult concept for some of us to grasp but OTIS HAS BEEN IN THE GROUP LONGER THAN ANYONE ELSE AND IS THE ONLY PERSON ALIVE TO BE IN IT FROM THE BEGINNING Therefore, he can sing whatever the 1#-) he wants!!!!
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Post by Aba21 on Mar 10, 2003 13:56:08 GMT -5
He sure can Ivory. I don't know if Otis learned any kind of lesson but to me it depends how they continue for next few years. I don't think they will be played out cause they haven't played out in 40 years so what would make anyone think that because he no longer sings that people won't want to go. We will still want to hear the muisc and we will want to see it performed so ther should be a Temptations group to do it. I means since we are already used to changes what's the big deal who is in the group. At some point in time there will another group of people ona board like this havein ght e same conversations we have. Are you ready for that?
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Post by sukkafu on Mar 10, 2003 14:01:38 GMT -5
otis can sing in the shower if he wants to! he'll probably sound better there and have at least one person that likes what he hears! otis has been in the group the longest, he's an hof 6, he has the rights to the tempts name, he can sing what he he wants, but i'm talking about the other 4 guys- ron will never be known for my girl, bo will never be known for ain't too proud, terry will never be known for get ready, harry will never be known for old man river, so what will their legacy be- imitators who couldn't have a top 10 POP chart hit? name 1 TOP 10 pop chart-not r and b- POP - that the tempts have had since 1974-the answer is NONE. treat her like lady was close-in the top 40, but none since masterpiece. i'm not talking platinum album- you can have a platinum or gold album because of fan base from earlier fame, but as far as chart success- NONE in the POP section. |
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