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Post by brunneng on Nov 3, 2004 17:48:39 GMT -5
Brunnen--reading over some of YOUR posts, I don't think I'd be calling anybody SILLY! Hi there Pot! This is the kettle, you're black!  Oh, the rolling eyes is for your daughter! Of course I am silly...this is fun time! ;D  ...the way you do the things you do... |
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Post by brunneng on Nov 3, 2004 17:51:23 GMT -5
With the number of lies he has told, it was bound to happen. The number of people who to this day would reelect him speaks to what a good, effective liar he was/is. He was the party Prez...a good time guy! ;D ...my baby... |
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Post by Ivory on Nov 3, 2004 20:43:19 GMT -5
so to say that the Republicans are the "dumb party" is an insult to myself, and to everyone who voted that way. I agree that Republicans by their nature are not collectively dumb. But does it not bother you just a leetle bit that even the Pres. himself jokes about his poor English? I don't think he's really an idiot, he couldn't have gotten to where he is without a little bit of smarts but I just think it's basically wrong for it to become acceptable that the President of the United States of America "can't talk good."  THAT is where the idiot factor lies. No, there isn't a "typical Democrat or Republican," but I do know that my dealings with the Democrat majority of a newsgroup I frequent. Peach Surely you know not to believe everything you see on the Internet by now.  Clinton would have done the same thing with Afghanistan and would have left Iraq alone ........... and the world would be a much more peacful place right now. Speaking of Bin Laden ............ has your boy caught him yet?  Anyway, I'm glad to see that all of us on the board have decided to put all of this behind us and unify as one America as both candidates have encouraged. :laughing |
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Post by brunneng on Nov 3, 2004 21:12:16 GMT -5
when is shreck 2 to be released?? I want one too  Friday! ;D ...all I need... |
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Post by brunneng on Nov 3, 2004 21:15:31 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm glad to see that all of us on the board have decided to put all of this behind us and unify as one America as both candidates have encouraged.  Yes...and the party is at BrunnenG's little crib! Bring your own cookies! ;D ...don't look back... |
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Post by brunneng on Nov 3, 2004 21:24:04 GMT -5
Brunnen--reading over some of YOUR posts, I don't think I'd be calling anybody SILLY! Hi there Pot! This is the kettle, you're black! I don't think pot is proper! I don't even like cigarette smoke, much less pot! Cough! (Ask Tara) How about...bathtub, yeah...hi kettle, this is bathtub. I'm one of those old fashioned tubs with the claw feet. Cool image...bathtub! ...get ready... |
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Post by Peach on Nov 3, 2004 22:10:30 GMT -5
I agree that Republicans by their nature are not collectively dumb. But does it not bother you just a leetle bit that even the Pres. himself jokes about his poor English? I don't think he's really an idiot, he couldn't have gotten to where he is without a little bit of smarts but I just think it's basically wrong for it to become acceptable that the President of the United States of America "can't talk good." THAT is where the idiot factor lies. Surely you know not to believe everything you see on the Internet by now. Anyway, I'm glad to see that all of us on the board have decided to put all of this behind us and unify as one America as both candidates have encouraged. [/quote] I suppose dyslexia doesn't mean much to most people, as far as Bush's "talking abilities." My father was like that... a brilliant man, but did not have command of the English language because of dyslexia--something a person is born with, even the most intelligent. And an MBA from Harvard....... certainly nothing to sniff at. And as far as believing "all I see on the Internet," this was interaction with people...not reading worthless blogs and such. It was personal experience. No, dear, I'm not that naive. As far as unifying......you go first. The precedence was set here *long* ago. Peach Oops....somehow that last little quote got away from the box. |
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Post by mcribs on Nov 3, 2004 23:40:53 GMT -5
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Post by Beej on Nov 4, 2004 3:15:05 GMT -5
Oh, so much to repond to, so little time...
"Sad, sad, sad day... I say what other people can't. What their afraid to say"
Sorry, Tara, but this requires an explanation. Exactly WHO or WHAT are these "other people" afraid of?
Me? Conservatives in general?
We welcome dissent and open debate. All we ask is that you (not you, specifically) do us the courtesy of educating yourself on the issues before challenging our positions. In other words, if Michael Moore is your primary source of information, you're simply not equipped to have a rational, sensible discussion on ANY topic. It's okay to speak your mind...this is America...I just request that you have a point and be willing and able to support your position with something more than opinion or emotion.
"Beej, unfortuntately you were correct, in my mind it is the beginning of the 'dumbing down' of America."
Same thing, Gua...please explain how white Christians -- still the overwhelming majority -- showing up in force to reclaim the country they love is "dumbing down" America. In case it's not abundantly clear to everyone, there is a culture war taking place in this nation. Traditional American values have been under assault for decades, but that erosion of basic values was intensified in the '90s. The people who remember what it took to make America the land of opportunity and the envy of the world have had enough of the leftist agenda.
There was a time when common sense, respect, morality, character, pride, a sense of duty and sacrifice for the greater good were values that held this country together. Honor and integrity were the measure of a man. Whining and complaining was something only spoiled children got away with. When you gave your word, you meant it.
Thankfully, there are enough of us left who care too much about this country's future to stand by and allow our society to be pulled further into the sewer.
This is not a matter of intellect; it's a matter of acknowledging our shared values and understanding what has kept this nation strong in the past during times of great adversity.
"The democrats have lost their way..."
The Democratic Party's leadership has been hijacked by the liberal left. Southern conservative Democrats no longer see their values reflected within their own party...so they align with Republicans. As if more proof were necessary after the last two elections, the Senate seats held by Democrats in NC, SC, GA, LA and FL on Monday were all claimed by Republicans on Tuesday. A party controlled by northeastern liberal elitists will not succeed in the south or midwest; the simple differences in values and ideology, alone, are too great to overcome.
"...and have given the not-so-compassionate right-wing a clear majority....all I can say is heaven help us all."
Please. This may surprise you, but I -- as a conservative -- haven't kicked any dogs or eaten any babies lately. I simply want all Americans to realize their potential and contribute something to society. I don't even ask that you see things my way as a pre-requisite. Whether we agree on individual issues is irrelevant; what's important is that we both understand this nation's strength and stability is dependent upon and derived from the shared values and unity of it's people. Bitching and moaning, spewing hateful rhetoric and looking for new ways to divide this country along racial, economic or other lines is not the answer. Nonetheless, that appears to be the DNC platform under the direction of Terry McAuliffe.
I'd be interested for anyone who feels this country is worse off after four years of George W. Bush to explain how YOU (personally) have been negatively affected during that time. In other words, please show me where George Bush has made your life worse.
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Post by Beej on Nov 4, 2004 5:00:00 GMT -5
While I'm at it...
"Clinton would have done the same thing with Afghanistan and would have left Iraq alone ........... and the world would be a much more peacful place right now."
Oh, Ivory...surely you jest. If by "peaceful" you mean blissfully ignorant of the mounting threat against us...no thanks. Responsible people confront problems before they grow out of control.
Al Qaeda initially set up shop in Afghanistan in the late '80s.
On Clinton's watch, Osama bin Laden:
- reached out to Iran and Hezbollah to join in a global war against the U.S.;
- began efforts to secure components for chemical and nuclear weapons;
- was a financier and co-conspirator of the first World Trade Center attack;
- organized attacks against U.S. and U.N. forces in Somalia;
- developed plans to attack the U.S. embassy in Kenya;
- opened new terrorist training camps in the Sudan;
- set up a front company in Malaysia to funnel money to regional operatives;
- plotted to blow up 12 U.S.-bound planes in Manila;
- provided safe haven in Pakistan to WTC '93 mastermind Ramzi Yousef;
- spread his network to 56 countries;
- returned to Afghanistan after Clinton refused Sudan's offers to hand him over;
- issued a fatwah calling on Muslims to kill Americans anywhere in the world;
- plotted to assassinate President Clinton;
- bombed American embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam;
- plotted to blow up the Radisson Hotel in Amman, Jordan ("Millennium Plot");
- plotted to attack Los Angeles International Airport;
- plotted to kill American sailors in a failed attempt on the USS The Sullivans;
- coordinated a successful attack on the USS Cole;
- plotted to use commercial airplanes as missiles against domestic U.S. targets.
For EIGHT YEARS, Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States. How did Bill Clinton respond? He ordered a few Tomahawk missiles be fired at a suspected camp in Afghanistan and blew up a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan after the two embassy attacks. There was NO military response after the USS Cole bombing. Until 1998, the Clinton administration basically ignored the growing threat of bin Laden and his al Qaeda network. Even then, they decided to treat it as a "law enforcement" matter -- issuing indictments -- rather than a serious military operation.
The result: the Taliban remained in control of Afghanistan and bin Laden and al Qaeda were permitted to grow unchallenged.
Here's what Richard Clarke said about the Clinton years:
"I believe that, had we destroyed the terrorist camps in Afghanistan earlier, that the conveyor belt that was producing terrorists sending them out around the world would have been destroyed. So many, many trained and indoctrinated Al Qaeda terrorists, which now we have to hunt down country by country, many of them would not be trained and would not be indoctrinated, because there wouldn't have been a safe place to do it if we had destroyed the camps earlier.'
Clinton couldn't be bothered, though. It was easier to pass the whole mess on to the next president...and what a mess George W. Bush inherited! As if a contested election, unfettered corporate corruption and a declining economy weren't enough, Bush was handed what would turn out to be the most devastating attack on America in our nation's history.
Did he whine? Did he run away? Did he point the finger at his predecessor?
No. He cinched his belt and took the fight to the enemy. We removed the Taliban from control and decimated al Qaeda's base. Afghanistan is now a free nation, no longer ruled by Islamic fundamentalism and no longer a safe haven for terrorist activities. Osama bin Laden has not been captured, yet. He will be. In the meantime, we continue to disrupt operations and tear his organization apart as we shift the brunt of our force to another front of the war, Iraq.
Same deal...the terror-sponsoring Hussein Regime was removed from power and the pockets of organized resistance that have developed in isolated areas are being confronted. There will be a point at which Iraq is also a free nation practicing open democracy...and one less place for terrorists to hide.
George W. Bush will be the man history will commend for freeing countless millions from tyranny and having the backbone to confront civilization's greatest threat.
Now, I know you don't like to believe the President or Vice-President when they explain the existing relationship between Saddam and al Qaeda, Ivory, so maybe you'll believe Bill Clinton, instead:
In the spring of 1998, the Clinton Justice Department prepared an indictment of Osama bin Laden which not only included the list of activities cited above, but also included the following passage:
"Al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."
Ask yourself...
- Was Iraq involved in 9/11? We have no evidence to suggest that.
- Did Iraq have a working relationship with al Qaeda as early as the mid-'90s? Yes.
- Did we declare war on al Qaeda and state-sponsors of terror? Yes.
- Was Iraq a state-sponsor of terror? Yes.
- Was Iraq a legitimate target in the War on Terror? Yes.
- Is it a "diversion" from dealing with terror? No.
- Did the Clinton Administration see a link between Iraq and al Qaeda? Yes.
- Did he do anything about it? No.
- Did the Bush Administration see a link between Iraq and al Qaeda? Yes.
- Did he do anything about it? Yes.
- Is al Qaeda on the run as a result of this heightened awareness? Yes.
- Were we safer on September 10, 2001, than we are now? No.
- Is this president committed to finishing what he started? Yes.
- Will we prevail? Absolutely.
"Speaking of Bin Laden ............ has your boy caught him yet?"
Seems like a silly question in retrospect, doesn't it?
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Post by mcribs on Nov 4, 2004 8:36:26 GMT -5
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Post by MissTara on Nov 4, 2004 8:43:33 GMT -5
Brunnen--reading over some of YOUR posts, I don't think I'd be calling anybody SILLY! Hi there Pot! This is the kettle, you're black! :laughing |
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Post by Gua on Nov 4, 2004 8:44:30 GMT -5
Oh, so much to repond to, so little time... "Sad, sad, sad day... I say what other people can't. What their afraid to say"Sorry, Tara, but this requires an explanation. Exactly WHO or WHAT are these "other people" afraid of? Me? Conservatives in general? We welcome dissent and open debate. All we ask is that you (not you, specifically) do us the courtesy of educating yourself on the issues before challenging our positions. In other words, if Michael Moore is your primary source of information, you're simply not equipped to have a rational, sensible discussion on ANY topic. It's okay to speak your mind...this is America...I just request that you have a point and be willing and able to support your position with something more than opinion or emotion. "Beej, unfortuntately you were correct, in my mind it is the beginning of the 'dumbing down' of America."Same thing, Gua...please explain how white Christians -- still the overwhelming majority -- showing up in force to reclaim the country they love is "dumbing down" America. In case it's not abundantly clear to everyone, there is a culture war taking place in this nation. Traditional American values have been under assault for decades, but that erosion of basic values was intensified in the '90s. The people who remember what it took to make America the land of opportunity and the envy of the world have had enough of the leftist agenda. There was a time when common sense, respect, morality, character, pride, a sense of duty and sacrifice for the greater good were values that held this country together. Honor and integrity were the measure of a man. Whining and complaining was something only spoiled children got away with. When you gave your word, you meant it. Thankfully, there are enough of us left who care too much about this country's future to stand by and allow our society to be pulled further into the sewer. This is not a matter of intellect; it's a matter of acknowledging our shared values and understanding what has kept this nation strong in the past during times of great adversity. "The democrats have lost their way..."The Democratic Party's leadership has been hijacked by the liberal left. Southern conservative Democrats no longer see their values reflected within their own party...so they align with Republicans. As if more proof were necessary after the last two elections, the Senate seats held by Democrats in NC, SC, GA, LA and FL on Monday were all claimed by Republicans on Tuesday. A party controlled by northeastern liberal elitists will not succeed in the south or midwest; the simple differences in values and ideology, alone, are too great to overcome. "...and have given the not-so-compassionate right-wing a clear majority....all I can say is heaven help us all." Please. This may surprise you, but I -- as a conservative -- haven't kicked any dogs or eaten any babies lately. I simply want all Americans to realize their potential and contribute something to society. I don't even ask that you see things my way as a pre-requisite. Whether we agree on individual issues is irrelevant; what's important is that we both understand this nation's strength and stability is dependent upon and derived from the shared values and unity of it's people. Bitching and moaning, spewing hateful rhetoric and looking for new ways to divide this country along racial, economic or other lines is not the answer. Nonetheless, that appears to be the DNC platform under the direction of Terry McAuliffe. I'd be interested for anyone who feels this country is worse off after four years of George W. Bush to explain how YOU (personally) have been negatively affected during that time. In other words, please show me where George Bush has made your life worse. Beej, first let me say I am not a democrat!! I am and have been a registered "independant". I have voted both ways and I don't disagree with a lot of what you say....you are on point with this statement: "The Democratic Party's leadership has been hijacked by the liberal left. Southern conservative Democrats no longer see their values reflected within their own party...so they align with Republicans. As if more proof were necessary after the last two elections, the Senate seats held by Democrats in NC, SC, GA, LA and FL on Monday were all claimed by Republicans on Tuesday. A party controlled by northeastern liberal elitists will not succeed in the south or midwest; the simple differences in values and ideology, alone, are too great to overcome." With that said... I do not like GWB....he has shown no plan for getting jobs back. Tax cuts are not the panecea for the economy. 9-11 made GWB into a president and it along with "moral values" as stated by the exit polls have gotten him reelected. "I'd be interested for anyone who feels this country is worse off after four years of George W. Bush to explain how YOU (personally) have been negatively affected during that time. In other words, please show me where George Bush has made your life worse." I was out of work for two years....(I worked in the telephony industry)...December of 2002 GWB and the senate allowed the unemployment benifits to run out (just before Christmas)... Nothing was done until almost the middle of January....( that affected me and at that time 8million out of work people) does that seem compassionate to you??? (I did not blame GWB for the loss of my job) but I do blame him for not having a plan for the economy outside of tax cuts. Lets flip the script....(what has GWB done for you(anyone) in the positive) From the New York Times: I agree.... www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/opinion/03kris.html?ex=1100505384&ei=1&en=0c69b12a7186dc08 |
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Post by MissTara on Nov 4, 2004 8:46:34 GMT -5
I don't think pot is proper! I don't even like cigarette smoke, much less pot! Cough! (Ask Tara) How about...bathtub, yeah...hi kettle, this is bathtub. I'm one of those old fashioned tubs with the claw feet. Cool image...bathtub! ...get ready... Ask me what? Are you funnin with my cigarette habit? I wish I didnt smoke, been doing it for over half my life. And to add to that I dont cough...yet |
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Post by Peach on Nov 4, 2004 9:12:53 GMT -5
Okay......what did George Bush do for me? (Which, btw, it's ludicrous to blame him OR give him any credit. The economy is on a cycle....it was going *down* at the end of Clinton's term. But I'll play the game.) Here's my story.......single mom. I lost my job last year. July of 2003. Damn you, George!  Three months later, I'm self-employed, making $1000 more a month in a position with much better potential for growth. See.......there are many like me out there, especially in my sector. (High-tech industry....I am a Lexicographer who builds search engine hierarchies.) And *we don't count in the statistics* because we are self-employed now. Nope..... no job growth stats on us. And let me tell you something....about "coming together." I think there are like.....*four* Republicans on this board. (Or those who vote that way.) The threads started, the majority, have been anti-Bush threads. So some of us are on the defensive...it's a common position. I avoided the politics here for about a month....it was *way* too unpleasant to be on the receiving end. You guys want to know "what went wrong" and how the exit polls were wrong? The other polls were wrong? From where I sit, that's pretty easy - a lot of people like myself pretty much just shut up - there's only so many times you can be told that you're a f*** ing moron idiot stupidshit FascoChristian unthinking turdball Nazi before you just shut up and don't speak to pollsters or answer the chick making your cup of coffee when she asks you about the election.... *knowing* what would happen if you do. (Read a study about this, by the way..... this democrat wore a Kerry shirt in a highly Republican neighborhood.... then he wore a Bush shirt in a highly Democrat neighborhood. The difference was telling.) Peach |
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THAT is where the idiot factor lies. 
