more attention given to my boo cornbread's death

[tabby]

"Now, back to the topic ... Do you think that Eddie's death was handled with the same care as Melvin's, for example?"

[Aba21]

tabby said:

aba21 said:

The only thing that would have made you happy is if David wasn't in the movie at all. You should have done the movie yourself, since you have found every lie, broken down every scene for all its discrepancies and called it trash. Why are you here? Are you championing the cause of David Ruffin? He doesn't need one. He was a grown man and stood on his own two feet. I saw on here a couple of pages ago where you tried to say something positive but finished with a sarcastic remark about Otis which had nothing to do with the point you were making. I let that one go. Did anyone say anything here about David that wasn't true? If so I didn't see it.

The problem is you don't like Otis and you make damn sure you let people know every chance you get. Then you get mad and run away when you are confronted on it. Or even more so, you then accuse people of jumping on you when you do. You make people who could give less than two cents about Otis Williams come to his defense and you can't see why.

You talk about this movie like it was some huge conspiracy against David and Eddie concocted by Otis to make them look bad and himself good. No matter how many times people tell you different, you refuse to budge. They can show you in print and you turn it around. I know we are entitled to our opinons and see differently on every thing about the movie and book. But the way you trash the book, the movie and Otis is like he doesn't even belong in the group with the those other guys and if my recollections serves me right, he was a co-founder and since day one damn near 25 men have sang with him so somebody thinks he can sing and it seems to be the professionals in the business who do, and I'll take their word for it any day............

This was a movie done from one's man perspective, right or wrong. It gave many fans thrills and still does every time they watch it. I'm sorry your love for David won't let you get past it. What Beej called David is well documented in court papers, news articles and by his peers. You are the only one I know who can't get over it. You can't save his reputation now.......its too late. And most real fans can see past all the negative garbage and love the great performer he was with out blaming Otis Williams for David's trouble in life.

Sometimes I come here and can't believe what I read. People call themselves Temptation fans and then spend all their time talking bad about this one or the other one. You are not alone there. When is it gonna stop? When are you gonna talk about the music and quit talking about the stuff that none of us here was there to see and all we all know is just hearsay. That's why many of the good people who used to post here are gone. They get tired of reading the same old mess every thread.

You may not think so but many more people love David than Otis. Its just a natural thing. He was charasmatic, the big time lead singer of the Temptations. He took them to the next level. He is loved by all of us even if we don't sing his praises every five minutes. I'm tired of all the talk about any of the guys. This one can't sing.can't dance. This one is full of himself. I thought we loved the Tempts...........sometimes its hard to see that through all the fog.

Now, back to the topic ... Do you think that Eddie's death was handled with the same care as Melvin's, for example?

Did you read what Kalisa wrote? She said Eddie and Otis had been enstranged for years. Whatever information he had he got from hearsay or in the paper like everybody else. So what was he to do? Eddie was a very private man, unlike David who wore his feelings on his sleeves. You would have to ask the scriptwriter what he thought about that. Have you seen any footage of Eddie's funeral? Do You know if Otis even attended? It was not the media circus that David's funeral was, that's for sure. David's death recieved much more media attention tha Eddie because of his checkered past.

[tabby]

Why you always drag Otis into the discussion? I was asking a neutral question about how Eddie's death was portrayed in the movie ... You are not trying to start trouble? Are you? You wrote half an essay, but still did not come up with anything else but putting words in my mouth I have not used in this thread. ;D

[Weak4Weeks]

tabby said:

"Now, back to the topic ... Do you think that Eddie's death was handled with the same care as Melvin's, for example?"

Are you ignoring me? Can't handle the pressure.....

[Aba21]

tabby said:

Why you always drag Otis into the discussion? I was asking a neutral question about how Eddie's death was portrayed in the movie ... You are not trying to start trouble? Are you? You wrote half an essay, but still did not come up with anything else but putting words in my mouth I have not used in this thread. ;D

Excuse me.........Go back a couple of posts and check out what you said aobut Otis in the last sentence of your post. I don't copy and paste or I would go get it for you. And don't tell me you were just joking because your past history says otherwise.

Again I say, find out who the scriptwriter was...email him and ask him his intentions when he wrote what he wrote. Otis didn't write it.

And one other thing.......if you check the movie.......David was pushed out in front of the hospital...........not on some Phliladelphia street as you said. Not saying anything about the validity. I don't know if you have the movie, I suspect not if you call it trash....but maybe you do.......if its trash......you should have taken it back.

You are a writer yourself..............I should think you of all people would know what the words "based on a book by Otis Williams" means. It means the scriptwriter can take whatever liberties he chooses and the author is not to blame. That why they put the clause in.

[Weak4Weeks]

tabby said:

Why you always drag Otis into the discussion? I was asking a neutral question about how Eddie's death was portrayed in the movie ... You are not trying to start trouble? Are you? You wrote half an essay, but still did not come up with anything else but putting words in my mouth I have not used in this thread. ;D

You didn't quote anyone so I have to ask....who are you talking to?If your talking to me my answer is I know your intentions. You can tell exactly hwere you were going because you constantly go there.

[MissTara]

tabby said:

"Now, back to the topic ... Do you think that Eddie's death was handled with the same care as Melvin's, for example?"

Geez, it really sucks to make sense out of both parties. *stuck in the middle* Let's just say that Eddie's long battle with lung cancer was a drawn out topic in the movie, and Melvin's death was just an "oh by the way, Melvin died." Many would blame that on Otis too, and probably say some crap like well he was probably still in the greiving process and didn't want to make a big issue out of it. Or to bring back painful memories. It doesn't matter which temptation got the short end of the stick when it comes to their death, somehow, for some reason, Otis is always to blame. A few months ago, I would have felt the same way as (((Grams)))), Ms. Kendricks, davidruffinlover, etc etc... The only difference is that I don't blame him anymore for anything. it doesnt make sense (now)-- Why should I lose sleep over everything that went wrong? Why should I hate on something I had NO control over? Why should I be disrespectful over someone who has been a temptation for over 40 years? IMO, he may not have the ability to sing or dance, but obviously he has enough people who feel otherwise. And I totally respect that.

[Elbridge]

Again, Otis was the "executive producer" - a title that means absolutely NOTHING. Otis cannot be blamed for the way that movie came out. He is not a writer. He is not a producer. He is not a screenwriter. He is not a cameraman. He is not a director. He is not an editor. He is a singer - one who was given the title "executive producer" so that the movie would have an artificial aura of authenticity.

Moviemakers make things up. They dramatize. The movie was made to entertain. Facts take a backseat to evocative storytelling in all "biopics". "La Bamba" had plenty of false information in it. So did "The Buddy Holly Story". "The Karen Carpenter Story"? Ditto. That's the way these things are made. These are stories that are loosely tied to the facts.

It's just a movie, people.

Ed

[tabby]

elbridge said:

Again, Otis was the "executive producer" - a title that means absolutely NOTHING. Otis cannot be blamed for the way that movie came out. He is not a writer. He is not a producer. He is not a screenwriter. He is not a cameraman. He is not a director. He is not an editor. He is a singer - one who was given the title "executive producer" so that the movie would have an artificial aura of authenticity.

Moviemakers make things up. They dramatize. The movie was made to entertain. Facts take a backseat to evocative storytelling in all "biopics". "La Bamba" had plenty of false information in it. So did "The Buddy Holly Story". "The Karen Carpenter Story"? Ditto. That's the way these things are made. These are stories that are loosely tied to the facts.

It's just a movie, people.

Ed

((Ed)), I was hoping that at least you were reading and understanding my post.
I was saying that Otis did manage to get the movie altered in that he was spared the actual depiction of Melvin's death. He said that in his own book. So, he did have "some say-so," after all. I never claimed that he wrote the script or did anything else more important.

I have to go back and see, but I have mentioned Otis once or twice -- and look what people make of such a statement. It's not only amazing, but also highly amusing! As if Otis needs the whole Temptsinfoboard to rush to his rescue; he can stand on his own two (left) feet, I hope.

[tabby]

kalisa2 said:

Lets not forget they (whoever wrote the script) had time constraints to deal with also. I don't know how these things work, but I presume they had a deal for a 4 hour miniseries, including XX minutes for commercials.

We none of us know what got left on the cutting-room floor, either. (We know the writers surely DID NOT write about David being scolded for missing a meeting that hadn't taken place yet LOL... and no I don't believe Otis did the editing ;D ) Who knows what the editors chose to leave out?

((Kalisa)). I agree. And here, I may add, lies the explanation that the movie is basically a sloppy piece of work: trash. It brims with second rate actors, botched scenes and bad dialogue. Even the make-up jobs were less then perfect. That's what I based my judgement upon.

[Weak4Weeks]

tabby said:

(he can stand on his own two (left) feet, I hope.

you just can't stop insulting him can you? Get a life!! Isn't there something good on TV? His left feet danced him into the Hall of FAme and that is more than I can say for your tired ass. Until you've seen him dance on these supposed "two left feet" you shouldn't speak of it. How dare you?

[Aba21]

Yet we are the ones who are causing this mess. I think not. You think you can say anything about anybody and not have somebody respond to it. I don't think so. Don't make light of your comments. Either you said it or you didn't say it. I can go back and reprint what you said and since I am college educated I think the simple english used in your comments can be understood even by me. I say again........things are fine until your sarcasm comes out. That's how the threads get off track. You call it a joke but when the same joke is said about David, you rush to his defense. What's the difference. You made these people come to Otis defense. Hell, I never knew this many people cared anything at all about Otis. But your comments have united a front.

[tabby]

aba21 said:

tabby said:

Now, back to the topic ... Do you think that Eddie's death was handled with the same care as Melvin's, for example?

Did you read what Kalisa wrote? She said Eddie and Otis had been enstranged for years. Whatever information he had he got from hearsay or in the paper like everybody else. So what was he to do? Eddie was a very private man, unlike David who wore his feelings on his sleeves. You would have to ask the scriptwriter what he thought about that. Have you seen any footage of Eddie's funeral? Do You know if Otis even attended? It was not the media circus that David's funeral was, that's for sure. David's death recieved much more media attention tha Eddie because of his checkered past.

According to Otis himself he, "... kept tabs on [Eddie] through friends.... That fall he entered the hospital for the last time.
When I heard the news, I phoned Eddie's home and spoke with his father, who gave me Eddie's number. ...
'I love you, Eddie,' I said.
'I love you,' he replied, his voice weak. ...
Nevertheless, you are being evasive in introducing these irrelevant points into the discussion; the have nothing to do with the way Eddie's death was protrayed in the movie.

That scene in the book would have made a good short scene in the movie -- just a suggestion, though.

Also, if I am to believe Otis himself, "Melvin, Ollie, Richard, Ron, Dennis, Shelly, and [he] traveled to Alabama to say [their] last good-byes. The funeral was held in a Baptist church in Ensley, Alabama, and the spirit there was simply joyous ..."
And what does that all have to do with my question? I have the feeling someone is trying to be provocative here?

All I was asking was whether you think that Eddie's death was handled with the same care as the others' in the movie. I haven't even mentioned the name Otis ... and I haven't gotten a straight answer yet.

[Weak4Weeks]

tabby said:

... and I haven't gotten a straight answer yet.

because you aren't asking a straight question? The straight question is Eddie...oh forget it.....no sense talking to a brick wall...

[tabby]

Err ... excuse me. What part of the question didn't you understand, Weaky?

"All I was asking was whether you think that Eddie's death was handled with the same care as the others' in the movie."

I guess this is the 4th time I've asked the same question ...


By the way, they "you" was not you ;D