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Post by VenezuelanFan on Sept 13, 2004 17:16:49 GMT -5
Hello everybody...I was gonna put this post on the "your thoughts here..." discussion...but I realized this one might bring another enjoyable debate...
Let's say things really happened exactly like in the movie. What would you have done, if you were in their possition?:
I'll start with these ones:
I would have given David another chance. In the movie is pretty hard how they treat him after they fired him. He was clean!!!If it was me, I too would have been an arrogant mother f%$&#r from that moment on!!!
I also would have stopped the touring when Paul got sick. As Eddie said (in the movie), "just have a soul". It's your friend!!!!!!!!
And also...I blame Eddie a lot for not taking care of Paul when he nedded him the most...Eddie was "worried", but as Shelly said (in the movie),I too would have said, "Where were you?"
Those are my top three...do you agree? have any other like these ones?
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Post by MissTara on Sept 13, 2004 20:09:50 GMT -5
Hello everybody...I was gonna put this post on the "your thoughts here..." discussion...but I realized this one might bring another enjoyable debate... Let's say things really happened exactly like in the movie. What would you have done, if you were in their possition?: I'll start with these ones: I would have given David another chance. In the movie is pretty hard how they treat him after they fired him. He was clean!!!If it was me, I too would have been an arrogant mother f%$&#r from that moment on!!! I also would have stopped the touring when Paul got sick. As Eddie said (in the movie), "just have a soul". It's your friend!!!!!!!! And also...I blame Eddie a lot for not taking care of Paul when he nedded him the most...Eddie was "worried", but as Shelly said (in the movie),I too would have said, "Where were you?" Those are my top three...do you agree? have any other like these ones? First off I would like to say, As much as I defend David and try to focus on ALL of the good qualities, this question is going to be answered different. If I was doing this I would have not let David back in the group, clean or not, He may have been clean at that present time, but look where he ended up. Right back. over and over and eventually killed from it. That alone could have cost the group to die and I'm sure Otis was thinking of that too. Secondly, I would have waited a while before touring (in the Paul situation) because I feel if the situation were reversed (and I'm putting myself in this position) I'd want the group to wait, just a little while. Not wanting "The Temptations die". Third, Paul was not Eddie's responsibiity as far as his drinking problem. Paul was a grown man, makes his own decisions, and it is physically impossible to spend 24/7 with someone, especially in the "entertainment" business. i'm sure all of them including Otis was worried about Paul. But again, he was not a child that needed supervision. |
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Post by VenezuelanFan on Sept 14, 2004 8:32:12 GMT -5
First off I would like to say, As much as I defend David and try to focus on ALL of the good qualities, this question is going to be answered different. If I was doing this I would have not let David back in the group, clean or not, He may have been clean at that present time, but look where he ended up. Right back. over and over and eventually killed from it. That alone could have cost the group to die and I'm sure Otis was thinking of that too. Secondly, I would have waited a while before touring (in the Paul situation) because I feel if the situation were reversed (and I'm putting myself in this position) I'd want the group to wait, just a little while. Not wanting "The Temptations die". Third, Paul was not Eddie's responsibiity as far as his drinking problem. Paul was a grown man, makes his own decisions, and it is physically impossible to spend 24/7 with someone, especially in the "entertainment" business. i'm sure all of them including Otis was worried about Paul. But again, he was not a child that needed supervision. Hey MissT... Well...I'll give you the first one, not only because of that, but also because Dennis became a member. And most of all, because of the "pull back"effect that drugs have on people. I mean, how adddictive they are. I agree with you on this one. About the second one...I expressed myself wrong. Neither would I have wanted "the tempts to die". "Wait", is the word I was looking for...oh, my english!!!I hope it gets better soon... ;D But on the third one, I have to say that of course he is a grown man, and he's risponsible for his own acts, but Eddie was his friend. The "entertaining" should have stopped (and it's easy to say after you know the story)...but, all I'm saying is that maybe he should have been closer to him...He could have helped him more...and, BTW, Blame someone for the death of another is something really f"#$ed up to do. I didn't mean it that way... my english may have not worked the best possible way there either, but Paul was going through a horrible time...and by that moment Eddie was no longer with the Temptations, so he had more "spare time" (I'm being sarcastic against the situation, not against you  )..so, again I'd say "where were you!?". He had to be there. I wouldn't let any of my friends go thru this... M |
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Post by Ivory Fair on Sept 14, 2004 9:29:17 GMT -5
More Theo ............... definately more Theo ............... more shower scenes with Theo.
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Post by kalisa2 on Sept 14, 2004 11:01:38 GMT -5
Hey MissT... Well...I'll give you the first one, not only because of that, but also because Dennis became a member. And most of all, because of the "pull back"effect that drugs have on people. I mean, how adddictive they are. I agree with you on this one. About the second one...I expressed myself wrong. Neither would I have wanted "the tempts to die". "Wait", is the word I was looking for...oh, my english!!!I hope it gets better soon... ;D But on the third one, I have to say that of course he is a grown man, and he's risponsible for his own acts, but Eddie was his friend. The "entertaining" should have stopped (and it's easy to say after you know the story)...but, all I'm saying is that maybe he should have been closer to him...He could have helped him more...and, BTW, Blame someone for the death of another is something really f"#$ed up to do. I didn't mean it that way... my english may have not worked the best possible way there either, but Paul was going through a horrible time...and by that moment Eddie was no longer with the Temptations, so he had more "spare time" (I'm being sarcastic against the situation, not against you )..so, again I'd say "where were you!?". He had to be there. I wouldn't let any of my friends go thru this... M V-fan...well the fact of the matter is, Eddie did do everything he felt he could to try to help Paul, and DID spend "spare time" working with him and though we don't have record of him assisting in his personal life we do have evidence and proof that Eddie worked with Paul on the professional singing side. We have "Club Kabana" from 1972, a live show of Eddie's where Paul and David were there, and we also have two songs, "Feel Like Giving Up" and "Once you had a heart", that Eddie helped write, produce and you can hear him singing back up on at least "Feel Like Giving Up". So don't fault Eddie, a person can only do so much to "help", without completely invading the other person's life and Paul WAS a grown man with his own mind. We weren't there, we don't know what, if anything, ANY or ALL of the other Temptations may have done to try to help get Paul well. I agree also with MissTara on the other two situations. |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 14, 2004 11:27:11 GMT -5
The only thing I disagree with is the not touring thing.............these men were not rich and then as today their income depended on their touring....so not to tour would mean no income....so IMO, they had to tour.......
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Post by kalisa2 on Sept 14, 2004 11:55:54 GMT -5
The only thing I disagree with is the not touring thing.............these men were not rich and then as today their income depended on their touring....so not to tour would mean no income....so IMO, they had to tour....... good point, well taken. And it would seem to me (though I don't know the details of their contracts) that even if Paul wasn't touring with them, some of the earnings would probably have filtered to him, maybe? And at least "protection of his (Paul's) investment" in the group... |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 14, 2004 12:41:14 GMT -5
good point, well taken. And it would seem to me (though I don't know the details of their contracts) that even if Paul wasn't touring with them, some of the earnings would probably have filtered to him, maybe? And at least "protection of his (Paul's) investment" in the group... If they continued to pay him while he was out of the group (rehersals and other jobs with the group), they most certainly would have paid him when he was too sick to tour while still in the group. You're right he had an investment in the group and should have beeen paid regardless. |
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Post by kalisa2 on Sept 14, 2004 12:47:39 GMT -5
If they continued to pay him while he was out of the group (rehersals and other jobs with the group), they most certainly would have paid him when he was too sick to tour while still in the group. You're right he had an investment in the group and should have beeen paid regardless. Well that too, but I was thinking more on the lines (even if he didn't collect part of the tour-earnings) that just keeping the Tempts "alive" and in the forefront was a protection of his 'investment' for when he was well enough to tour again. |
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Post by VenezuelanFan on Sept 14, 2004 14:54:44 GMT -5
OK...
I'd agree with you all if we were talkin' about real life...completely....I asure you. but my point was, what would you have done, if things in the movie were true? So...with that in mind, I believe some of my toughts actually get some kind of coherence...
M
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Post by VenezuelanFan on Sept 14, 2004 14:59:54 GMT -5
oh I forgot...I was quoting Kalisa2... but it also aplies to most of the replies for this post... |
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Post by VenezuelanFan on Sept 14, 2004 15:46:38 GMT -5
I will never judge any of those guys...believe me!!...and the least thing I want to do is blame Eddie for Paul's problems (or death)...you can read how I feel about this group (The Temptaions) in the General Discussion Message Board, under the topic "What I really believe"...that's how I feel about this...
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Post by MissTara on Sept 16, 2004 8:54:44 GMT -5
OK... I'd agree with you all if we were talkin' about real life...completely....I asure you. but my point was, what would you have done, if things in the movie were true? So...with that in mind, I believe some of my toughts actually get some kind of coherence... M If the things in the movie were true. Still I would have done the same as in my first post |
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Post by BASSSINGER on Sept 16, 2004 9:49:25 GMT -5
Should've, could've, would've. How many chances does one need to get it right. David had problems that he refuse to admit and or address, not to mention this guy wanted "star billing". Even during the Reunion Tour he couldn't get it right. No way. As for Paul no one put a gun to his head and forced him to take his first drink or his last. When concert halls are booked it takes a lot to make changes, i.e. advanced ticket sales, promotion all those are factors. Let alone getting the reputation of not making concert dates. Just that alone can kill a group or an individual. (Most Recently; Whitney Houston)
Think about it.
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Post by VenezuelanFan on Sept 16, 2004 13:07:55 GMT -5
Wow...now everybody on this board suddenly seems to get along with O's point of view. It's amazing to me...
As I said, I give you the David one. But on the other hand, I myself would have tried to save Paul. If you do things right, even in show business, you'll get your reward. All they had to do was postpone the touring and say that Paul was ill. Full Music Halls? Who cares!? My friend comes first. I agree with most of what Otis did, but leaving Paul alone...just unethical.
Think about it
M
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