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Post by selfishreasons on Apr 6, 2003 1:12:21 GMT -5
I don't watch too much TV as it is, but I was watching TV today and was totally disgusted. I saw this R Kelly guy in two videos. One was with the Isley Brothers. I find it hard to believe that ths child molester is still just selling records.
I can't see how people support him or guys like Woody Allen. Now I have no doubt that whether ot not we supported thier work or not they would touch children. After all, they are child molester's they are going to do it regardless, so buying them is not feeding or funding thier habits. But to think Dirty men like this are still popular and recieve our dollars after the kind of dirtiness they do to women (well girl) makes me sick.
My question is this:
Is it wise to support or endorse men who abuse our children? Is it abuse what they did? I the point of view expressed overreaction?
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Post by iratherlikeme on Apr 6, 2003 1:43:45 GMT -5
Who did Woody Allen "abuse?"
As far as Ara goes, I do think he's a bit perverted, but I own one album of his (R. Kelly that I got in 1995), so he's not getting any money from me. However, this is only because I have a three-song rule for buying CDs and once I know I like at least 3 songs on the CD I'm working with limited funds.
I wouldn't call him a child molester, abuser, or rapist (I know you didn't use that but work with me). That implies force. The only thing wrong with what I'm hearing about his crimes is that the statute said those girls were too young for him to be messing with. I'm one of the people under the impression that he had some willing "partners"--if I could call them that--albeit very young ones. I must make sure you understand me when I tell you I'm not saying he was right for what he's accused of. I'm just saying that I feel that there are motives behind those girls' actions, too.
Now, to answer your questions. Like my preacher says, I said that to say this. ;D
Is it wise to support or endorse men who abuse our children?
No, I don't think it's wise, but I don't know how the mind of a person like that works. I can't see someone saying, "Oh, they're still buying my work, so that means they condone what I'm doing. I think I'll go out and bother some more kids 'cause the folks buying the stuff don't care."
I the point of view expressed overreaction?
I wouldn't call it overreaction. Just a plain old reaction. You have yours and I have mine. Mine is just a little more laid-back than yours.
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Post by Cadeho on Apr 6, 2003 2:10:37 GMT -5
I liked R. Kelly mainly from 1992 to 1997 and his "If I Could Turn Back the Hands of Time" other than that his image changed and it doesn't help that he likes em young... his music also didn't grab me like it used to so he's more like a has-been celebrity to me. I found his "Heaven, I Need a Hug" a pitiful plea to gain fans back. But, I never had a problem with him when he was with Aaliyah... maybe because I was 15 too, but I did think it odd. One thing you learn about the entertainment business, sex scandals come and go and they pass. The stars usually are not completely devastated, but they do suffer a loss of some sort. Regardless, people will still like them.
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Post by sukkafu on Apr 6, 2003 4:08:48 GMT -5
is that why michael jackson got immediately married to his dentist's assistant after the lawsuit from that boy's family? to save his fan base? my wife elise feels 100 per cent stronger than you do self. she won't listen to pop music anymore for years. doesn't know r from kelly, doesn't care- she listens to christian radio, talk radio, dr. laura, and classical music. then salsa and merengue on saturdays. elise gets on me for even listening to a michael jackson song once in a blue moon. rkelly- i believe i can try, i believe i can touch your thigh, it doesn't matter if it's night or day, i'm gonna try to get you anyway, i believe i can score, you may be 11 or 2 years more, i believe i can lie....  |
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Post by selfishreasons on Apr 6, 2003 10:25:09 GMT -5
Woddy Allen Bated and waited on his wife. She was a little girl when he was wooing her. A mere child that he raised. Woody Allen is plain old disgusting. How can you raise a child as your daughter then say, hey now she's not my daughter I'm gonna marry her. Mia Farrow says, that she did suspect that things were going on. yuck.
I wouldn't call him a child molester, abuser, or rapist (I know you didn't use that but work with me). That implies force. The only thing wrong with what I'm hearing about his crimes is that the statute said those girls were too young for him to be messing with. I'm one of the people under the impression that he had some willing "partners"--if I could call them that--albeit very young ones. I must make sure you understand me when I tell you I'm not saying he was right for what he's accused of. I'm just saying that I feel that there are motives behind those girls' actions, too.
-irather
Oh, give me a break. It's called rape because they were so young. It has been proven that children do not have the situational capacity to handle adult activites, because they have not had experience and cannot deal or recognize the consequences adequitely. This is precisely why certain laws are made. This is why children cannot sign thier own waivers without an adult. This is why children are between the ages of 14 - 18 are conned twice as much as adults between the ages of 26 and 40.
What the man did was rape. No man or woman in this world (in his right mind) would say hey, it's okay for my underaged daughter to sleep with a man in his thirties. And anyone who does is out of thier mind or out for something.
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Post by iratherlikeme on Apr 6, 2003 14:56:52 GMT -5
It's called statutory rape because they were so young.
I won't believe that those girls didn't know what they were doing. More than one of them said, "He told me he was going to help me get into the music business." That was my indicator right there. She wanted something, she didn't get it, so she's suing. I'm willing to bet every penny I have that if she had gotten into the music business I wouldn't be hearing a word about it.
Do you know that children these days are absolutely going crazy? (I'm sure you do.) "Children" are more "grown" at their teenaged years than they were years ago. My grandmother substitute-teaches sometimes at a middle school. Sixth-graders talking about oral sex and crabs. In some states I am an adult, and I still won't talk about stuff like that.
What does it say where my avatar is supposed to be?
Getting that out of the way... of course no one would say that. I mean, I have a hard time believing that the parents didn't know anything about this, but I know the parents wouldn't think it was okay.
I partially blame the parents, anyway.
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Post by DramaLJDiva on Apr 6, 2003 15:40:51 GMT -5
I don't have much respect for people, regardless of whether they are celebrities or not, who commit sick and twisted acts like these and think they are okay.
Is it wise to support or endorse men who abuse our children?
No, it isn't. It is their responsibility to act like grown-up men and say NO when a little girl approaches them. In fact, these "men" should view minors in the same way that they would view a niece or a daughter, with respect.
And IRML, I know exactly what you are saying. When I was in elementary school, I never heard a cuss word from any of my classmates. In middle school, everyone was talking about sex and drugs.
Sukka, I'm disgusted with pop music as well...but you can't go wrong with classic soul and REAL love songs!
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Post by iratherlikeme on Apr 6, 2003 15:44:57 GMT -5
That was the weirdest thing for me out of this whole situation. Ara has daughters; what was on his mind?
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Post by sukkafu on Apr 7, 2003 2:28:09 GMT -5
in the scriptures it tells us to bridle our passions- because you know what a bridle does to a horse- it keeps the horse under control- and passions are like niagara falls sometimes!
people think we are animals- but God says we are a little lower than the angels!
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Post by earthangel on Apr 7, 2003 19:17:12 GMT -5
Woah, I didn't know about that whole Woody Allen story. Most of the time you hear about him people are praising him for his works in life.
I didn't know R.Kelly had kids. That makes things even worse than they already are
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Post by selfishreasons on Apr 7, 2003 21:30:25 GMT -5
Yeah, Woody Allen is a creep.
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Post by sukkafu on Apr 8, 2003 0:43:20 GMT -5
when it comes to soo ying or whatever her name is, woody is the right moniker for him. |
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Post by iratherlikeme on Apr 8, 2003 10:56:17 GMT -5
Woody Allen is with Soon-Yi Previn, but Soon-Yi Previn is with Woody Allen, too.
Get what I'm saying? I agree that the whole situation is weird, but he didn't force her marry him.
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