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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 1, 2004 13:26:16 GMT -5
Sometimes Blue, we get so hung up on the wrong things around here. These men were just that men and nothing more. They were blessed with a talent that gave the wealth and fame but sometimes with that comes problems. It is a tough thing to handle being famous and some have trouble finding normalacy in their personal lives. It's a delicate balance that is hard to achieve for many who persue that line of work. Like the subject of Paul's "problems?" We never seem to get to Otis' "problems"? I mean,unless Otis is exempt from being a man and nothing more? This is what I will always object to.....this way of thinking would be fine,if it didn't exempt Otis. That all. No more,no less. All of them had "problems"..Otis included. Don't you think that's a fair,unbiased way of looking at the "Problems"?
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Post by Ivory Fair on Jul 1, 2004 13:39:16 GMT -5
Yep, no problem with that at all.
Plain English Mike. Are you reading what you see or are you reading what you EXPECT to see?
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 1, 2004 13:47:43 GMT -5
Like the subject of Paul's "problems?" We never seem to get to Otis' "problems"? I mean,unless Otis is exempt from being a man and nothing more? This is what I will always object to.....this way of thinking would be fine,if it didn't exempt Otis. That all. No more,no less. All of them had "problems"..Otis included. Don't you think that's a fair,unbiased way of looking at the "Problems"? I don't have problem talking bout Otis problems.......If somebody knows them put them up. He didn't talk about them and that is the problem. I am not trying to exempt him from the equation but little is known about his problems and most think he isn't important enough to discuss anyway.
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 1, 2004 13:53:40 GMT -5
Aba,I may be wrong but could you point out to me where Eddie James Kendricks is quoted as saying anything like you say he said? He's quoted as saying that he's seen Paul drunk,but I know people that have seen me drunk,does that constitute me having a "drinking problem"? This still does not answer my question as to why they would serve drinks at a party that the group gives,knowing that the heart and soul of the group struggles with a drinking problem. I was not at the party,but the person that took the photo in Otis' book was there. How do I know? Well,I didn't save enough candy money to attend the party...but I saved that money so I could buy Otis' book? Still ,where's Eddie's quote? In the third paragraph from the bottom, Eddie indicates that Paul was drinking and running around......and that soon he didn't have his moves and other things. They tried not to notice at first but it got worse. He was a sick man. To me me that infers that Paul was drinking heavily. If it was the illness that he was referring to that made Paul act the way he did, he would have left out the drinking and running around part and put the blame squarely on the illness. This is how I read it.
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 1, 2004 13:54:34 GMT -5
Yep, no problem with that at all. Plain English Mike. Are you reading what you see or are you reading what you EXPECT to see? I'm reading what you wrote,when you write I expect to see ANYTHING...you didn't let me down ! temptsinfo.com/smilies/wtg.gif Plain english,my love. I have no problem in reading plain english,never had.Never will!
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 1, 2004 14:02:42 GMT -5
In the third paragraph from the bottom, Eddie indicates that Paul was drinking and running around......and that soon he didn't have his moves and other things. They tried not to notice at first but it got worse. He was a sick man. To me me that infers that Paul was drinking heavily. If it was the illness that he was referring to that made Paul act the way he did, he would have left out the drinking and running around part and put the blame squarely on the illness. This is how I read it. That what you got out of it,and you have a right to that. Just like I do. I just,like some have said to me,not to put words in folks mouths. Hell,it's possible that Paul could have got tipsy off of three drinks. To me,that's not heavy drinking. I didn't see ant direct quotes from Eddie,other than the ones' I mentioned. I've seen Paul miss steps..the last time I saw him perform at the Apollo(Front row got expensive at that time...six dollars) but,like you have stated..he was sick.
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Post by ZeldaFScott on Jul 1, 2004 14:03:46 GMT -5
"Friends said that at his worst a couple of years ago, Williams was putting away two fifths of Cognac a day."
Apparently, at the time of this article, his worst days were behind him ... So why discuss a problem that was no longer present?
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Post by keres on Jul 1, 2004 14:11:47 GMT -5
That`s a good question!
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 1, 2004 14:16:45 GMT -5
Now by bad, I am referring to anything which is inferred. Paul's drinking was public knowledge. David's drug usage was public knowledge and a legal record. And Otis made mention of his own faults which may or may not have been public knowledge. He never said Melvin had any faults, only that everyone loved Melvin. I loved the comment the reporter made that when David had trouble singing "The Impossible Dream", all of the present and former Temptations rose to help him sing. I love the fact that on LEGACY's liner notes are the evidence that Cornelius Grant worked on some of the songs, that Ali and Otis composed a song together, that Ali sang the rough vocals for one of the songs. I love the fact that people who have attended a Temptations concert at which Theo was present say that Theo and Otis were talking. I love the fact that Harry's brother attended a concert after Harry left and that he and Otis were talking. I love the fact that Eddie attended a Temptations concert with his daughter in 1986 and was called on the stage to sing with them and did. Temptations forever. Oh, they might get angry with each other at times, but I think there was something so special that they had that they truly are Temptations forever. What I do not like is the hatred that spews forth from some people who purport to be Temptation fans. What's that old saying? "Save me from my friends, my enemies I can handle." Detroit is not "Public knowledge",that's local. Unlike Ebony,or Jet,or SOUL David getting caught with drugs on his person is public knowledge...use of drugs is rumor at best. Unless you kept the urine samples? Knowing that the group was an R&B act was much more public knowledge than David & Paul's "problems" were....don't you think? :-/Hell, I knew that they were R&B when I was 11.Alledgedly not able to afford a ticket to Freedomland.
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 1, 2004 14:18:18 GMT -5
"Friends said that at his worst a couple of years ago, Williams was putting away two fifths of Cognac a day." Apparently, at the time of this article, his worst days were behind him ... So why discuss a problem that was no longer present? To cover up the murder? They say that David's last tour,he was clean. Is this a pattern going on here?Columbo....where are you ?
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Post by keres on Jul 1, 2004 14:20:37 GMT -5
To cover up the murder? :insane in the membrane
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Post by ZeldaFScott on Jul 1, 2004 14:22:59 GMT -5
"... but I think there was something so special that they had that they truly are Temptations forever. "
The boss/head Temptation does not think so, however. He's probably not quite as romantic as we fans are and has made sure that being a Temptation forever depends on legalities rather than loyalties ...
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 1, 2004 14:23:11 GMT -5
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 1, 2004 14:27:47 GMT -5
That what you got out of it,and you have a right to that. Just like I do. I just,like some have said to me,not to put words in folks mouths. Hell,it's possible that Paul could have got tipsy off of three drinks. To me,that's not heavy drinking. I didn't see ant direct quotes from Eddie,other than the ones' I mentioned. I've seen Paul miss steps..the last time I saw him perform at the Apollo(Front row got expensive at that time...six dollars) but,like you have stated..he was sick. Alcoholism is a sickness just like drug addicition. I don't care if its self-inflicted its still a sickness. I'm not gonna get into the counting how many drinks it took simply because the article says at one point he was drinking 2/5 of conac a day. If that ain't heavy drinking, I don't know what is. I am only saying on my part the man drank period. I don't care how much or when. He drank and its time to move on somewhere else and just get over the fact that he did. I am not blaming Paul for any wrong doing at all. Nor am I trying to make him look bad in any way but we should be able to talk about these things and not have a debate over the one thing that is for sure......and that is he did drink. And furthermore, Eddie wouldn't have mentioned it in the first place it itr wasn't a problem.
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Post by ZeldaFScott on Jul 1, 2004 14:30:47 GMT -5
To cover up the murder? They say that David's last tour,he was clean. Is this a pattern going on here?Columbo....where are you ? ... Mrs. Columbo, here! And what about the plans of Dennis, Eddie and David to team up as a group?
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