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Post by MikeNYC on Dec 15, 2003 1:11:24 GMT -5
I've never been into high tenor voices and falsettos ... no matter whether it was Eddie or Glenn. It's like too much sweets ... Yet I could listen to Ron Tyson for hours. His falsetto seems less  obnoxious, maybe. And I still can hear the "man" in his voice. Just my gut feelings though. I wonder how he would sing Glenn's "I'm on Fire?" You can most likely tell if you saw the clip that Ivory had on the board of the Tempts singing Silent Night....Ron sang Glenn's part........ I don't know if Ron could hold the note like Glenn did. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Dec 15, 2003 1:35:38 GMT -5
Yeah, Eddie is the "classic" Tempts tenor sound, but he had some serious pitch problems. It got better once they started using headphones in the Hitsville studio, instead of singing live with the band, but as the cigarettes caught up with him, he started having trouble with breath control, which doesn't help one's pitch either. I always thought Eddie quitting the Tempts had just as much to with with the fact that, as his lung capacity decreased from heavy smoking, it became harder & harder to do the moves & still have breath left to sing. It never showed in his performance his"pitch problem"...singing with a live band didn't seem to bother him ,either. Where did this show up...on his records? In concert? When he was with the Primes? |
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Post by Divalicious on Dec 15, 2003 1:51:40 GMT -5
It never showed in his performance his"pitch problem"...singing with a live band didn't seem to bother him ,either. Where did this show up...on his records? In concert? When he was with the Primes? Mike, I would love to hear the explanation 4 this as well...Eddie quit the Tempts because he couldn't keep up and had breathing and pitch problems? Yeah, okay. Now I've heard it all.  I think some people just have a problem with Eddie PERIOD and try 2 disguise that by saying that so-and-so is/was a better tenor!! It's cool if someone ain't feelin him as a singer but don't try 2 put down his accomplishments by saying some ridiculous mess like that. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Dec 15, 2003 12:59:41 GMT -5
Mike, I would love to hear the explanation 4 this as well...Eddie quit the Tempts because he couldn't keep up and had breathing and pitch problems? Yeah, okay. Now I've heard it all. I think some people just have a problem with Eddie PERIOD and try 2 disguise that by saying that so-and-so is/was a better tenor!! It's cool if someone ain't feelin him as a singer but don't try 2 put down his accomplishments by saying some ridiculous mess like that. I don't know if I would say a "Problem" with Eddie,I look at it as people have different views on what makes a good singer. You should realize that NOBODY can put down Eddie's accomplishments...I don't care what they say. I mean if you take Eddie's LP...People....Hold On,that was done with a "LIVE" band,you don't hear any "pitch problems",if you've seen any of Eddie's solo shows,that would tell you that he had no "Problems" singing. Everybody wants to blame smoking giving him voice problems in the end,but all the years of singing in that falsetto style is what really did it. Singing lead & background..during many back to back shows,and father time also take it's toll. Some gigs when the soundperson isn't providing the right mic levels...having to scream his falsetto parts. If you don't know these things,you'll listen to anything. All I know is that nobody that came out of the Temptations had a better solo show than Eddie Kendricks,or had more success than Ed did. He should be in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame as a solo artist and as a member of the Temptations. You can't say that the musical direction he chose as a solo was bad.....that's what he wanted for the Temptations. What people fail to realize is that Eddie didn't want to leave the Tempts...heck he was the CO-FOUNDER of the group. He was forced to leave his own mother was quoted saying that he didn't want to leave. He worked it out with Motown NOT to leave. All that about leaving because of breath control..is untrue,baseless at best. But what can you do,if people don't know? Just be glad that YOU ain't one of them. You know the deal. Some folks thought that Eddie was a two hit wonder :laughing ,most folks know better. Eddie Kendricks is a HALL OF FAME MEMBER OF THE TEMPTATIONS along with five others,and that will not change. There will be no additions to that number....the rest aren't even recognized. That don't mean that they are not good,just not good enough to make anyone forget EDDIE KENDRICKS. Like Ron Banks said...."Eddie Kendricks.....that's somebody to remember forever"! A Master of melody is what Ron Banks said. To me...that says it all!...The track record say something also.Remember that so when you see things like someone's comments that you KNOW ain't true...you can laugh and thank GOD that you don't get it twisted like that. There's too many accomplishments that you can use to keep you straight...no matter how many deep breaths you take. ![]() temptsinfo.com/smilies/wtg.gif![]() Don't waste your time! :nono |
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Post by Divalicious on Dec 15, 2003 14:35:08 GMT -5
Thanks, Mike...  You summed up my thoughts perfectly. I just thought it was a mighty low thing 2 do, 2 build Glenn up, saying he's a better vocalist and what have you by tearing Eddie down, and coming up with some outrageous tales that have absolutely no truth to them whatsover...that accomplishes nothing. If Eddie was all that bad, why was he even a Temptation, then? Why did he have a successful career as a soloist? Why is he a LEGEND? If that's the best they can do to validate how much "better" Glenn is than Eddie, then their argument is just a moot point...  I can understand if someone is not an EJK fan...I have no beef with that. But give the man his respect, 4 God's sake. No matter what, anyone who has ever come into that spot has looked to Eddie, because HE set the standard. Damon Harris, Ron Tyson and Glenn himself have given Eddie his true props and spoke of him highly...that HE was the TRUE Master Tenor...so is it 2 much 2 ask for some of these people who are fans of theirs 2 do the same?? I know exactly what Eddie endured in his life, his career, and yes, towards the end of his life, his voice was NOT the same...but I see it as him earning his stripes, and he could have sounded anyway he damned well pleased...he earned that!! That man gave his all to his career and I refuse to let anyone try 2 belittle that! |
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Post by selfishreasons on Dec 15, 2003 14:38:22 GMT -5
saying a singer had pitch problem is not tearing a singer down. it's just the truth. listen, I know singers and singing very well. It's what I know. I also know that Bud knows singers. I will take his opinion on singers before I will take most.
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Post by MikeNYC on Dec 15, 2003 15:32:21 GMT -5
saying a singer had pitch problem is not tearing a singer down. it's just the truth. listen, I know singers and singing very well. It's what I know. I also know that Bud knows singers. I will take his opinion on singers before I will take most. Didn't say that you belittled anyone...just saying that what you said just ain't true. That's what I said. It's what I know. I know singers too,and what you are saying is baseless,at best...but that's YOUR OPINION....you are entitled to yours. We just know better. There is NO truth to YOUR OPINION! It's just YOURS! Eddie's track record is the truth...and FACT. It can't be torn down.....If I were NYC Diva...I wouldn't take it serious........if it's not a joke....then it's just too crazy to be taken serious. I'm sure that she has his recordings,and has seen Eddie perform ...if she has,then she should shake her head and laugh...like I am...I know better. |
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Post by selfishreasons on Dec 15, 2003 15:44:55 GMT -5
pitch is objective, it's not an opinion.
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Post by MikeNYC on Dec 15, 2003 15:59:02 GMT -5
pitch is objective, it's not an opinion. What you wrote is YOUR OPINION. No more than that. Martha Reeves described his last Apollo show as Eddie being in perfect pitch,just not as strong......I think that she does know a little something on this subject. That's her opinion. But if you weren't exposed to it,you don't know. Different opinions. Yours & OURS ! |
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Post by Budrocket on Dec 15, 2003 16:29:22 GMT -5
Why wouldn't they use the original recordings? I also thought that at times it would have been better to show tapes of original performances ... They did use some of the original tracks. Other songs were recreated to fit the dictates of certain sequences, such as the "Ball of Confusion" scene. The originals are always superior, of course...but this is TV! |
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Post by Budrocket on Dec 15, 2003 16:31:02 GMT -5
It never showed in his performance his"pitch problem"...singing with a live band didn't seem to bother him ,either. Where did this show up...on his records? In concert? When he was with the Primes? Yes, on record & in performance. I can site some specific examples if you're interested. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Dec 15, 2003 16:35:59 GMT -5
Yes, on record & in performance. I can site some specific examples if you're interested. Suit yourself. |
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Post by Budrocket on Dec 15, 2003 16:38:04 GMT -5
I said if YOU'RE interested. If not, I won't bother. |
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Post by Budrocket on Dec 15, 2003 16:45:54 GMT -5
Eddie quit the Tempts because he couldn't keep up and had breathing and pitch problems? Yeah, okay. Now I've heard it all! I said that I always thought his quitting had as much to do with breathing problems brought on by his chain smoking habit as anything else. That is my opinion. But you can't deny the fact that it DID affect him, & sadly eventually killed him. I saw the '82 reunion show, his voice was a ghost of it's former self. I think some people just have a problem with Eddie PERIOD and try 2 disguise that by saying that so-and-so is/was a better tenor!! It's cool if someone ain't feelin him as a singer but don't try 2 put down his accomplishments by saying some ridiculous mess like that. I think that's ludicrous. I didn't even know the man so how could I have a "problem" with him? He's an original Tempt. Also, I didn't start the thread, I'm just stating my OPINION, & I happen to like Glenn's voice better. I mean...as if any of this really mattered in the long run! Opinions are subjective, so you can't say they are either "true" or "untrue," they're just...opinions. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Dec 15, 2003 16:46:02 GMT -5
Mike, I would love to hear the explanation 4 this as well...Eddie quit the Tempts because he couldn't keep up and had breathing and pitch problems? Yeah, okay. Now I've heard it all. I'm not the only one on the board. I will hear you out,but I'm not begging. |
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