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Post by smooth on Jan 7, 2009 17:18:08 GMT -5
Why was Get Ready the last single to be released by Smokey? I know Aint Too Proud To Beg charter higher reaching #13 on the pop charts,but is there another reason why Smokey lost control forever?I saw an interview in which Berry said that "Norman blew Smokey out of the water" with Aint Too Proud To Beg.
Smokey had a good amount of hits on The Tempts.In an interview Otis included I'll Be In Trouble which reached #33 on the pop charts,I dont know what it reached on the r&b charts,probably top 10 or top 20, anyway I just wanted to put that out there before the usual suspects argue with me about whether or not that was a hit.
Smokey had(8 hits)
The Way You Do The Things You Do #1 & #11
I'll Be In Trouble #33
My Girl #1 & #1
Its Growing #3 & #18
Since I Lost My Baby #4 & #17
Don't Look Back #15 & #83
My Baby #4 & #13
Get Ready #1 & #29
Norman had(2 hits)
Girl Why You Wanna Make Me Blue #26
Aint Too Proud To Beg #1 & #13
Why would the success of Aint Too Proud To Beg "alone" make Smokey lose control forever?
When Smokey had control Norman still released Girl(Why You Wanna Make Me Blue) and Aint Too Proud To Beg.When Norman had them Smokey lost control forever.And wasnt Smokey and Berry supposed to be tight,how did Smokey lose control because of the success of one song?
Could there be another reason why Smokey lost control?
Just going by the numbers Smokey should've gotten another chance,Norman got two chances,SMokey got none,how does that happen?
I know the Tempts had success with Norman,but one can only imagine what would've happened if Smokey stayed their main producer and songwriter.
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Post by maria on Jan 7, 2009 23:47:21 GMT -5
Why was Get Ready the last single to be released by Smokey? I know Aint Too Proud To Beg charter higher reaching #13 on the pop charts,but is there another reason why Smokey lost control forever?I saw an interview in which Berry said that "Norman blew Smokey out of the water" with Aint Too Proud To Beg. Smokey had a good amount of hits on The Tempts.In an interview Otis included I'll Be In Trouble which reached #33 on the pop charts,I dont know what it reached on the r&b charts,probably top 10 or top 20, anyway I just wanted to put that out there before the usual suspects argue with me about whether or not that was a hit. Smokey had(8 hits) The Way You Do The Things You Do #1 & #11 I'll Be In Trouble #33 My Girl #1 & #1 Its Growing #3 & #18 Since I Lost My Baby #4 & #17 Don't Look Back #15 & #83 My Baby #4 & #13 Get Ready #1 & #29 Norman had(2 hits) Girl Why You Wanna Make Me Blue #26 Aint Too Proud To Beg #1 & #13 Why would the success of Aint Too Proud To Beg "alone" make Smokey lose control forever? When Smokey had control Norman still released Girl(Why You Wanna Make Me Blue) and Aint Too Proud To Beg.When Norman had them Smokey lost control forever.And wasnt Smokey and Berry supposed to be tight,how did Smokey lose control because of the success of one song? Could there be another reason why Smokey lost control? Just going by the numbers Smokey should've gotten another chance,Norman got two chances,SMokey got none,how does that happen? I know the Tempts had success with Norman,but one can only imagine what would've happened if Smokey stayed their main producer and songwriter. INTERESTING  |
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Post by smooth on Jan 15, 2009 11:13:42 GMT -5
I just did some research,I'll Try Something new was actually Smokey's last hit with The Tempts reaching #8 R&B and #25 PoP
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Post by DC on Jan 15, 2009 13:18:20 GMT -5
I've heard the story of this by many Motown sources. The way it was done was if a producer had a hit on the group that producer/producers automatically cut the next song. So it was make or break with Norman. Smokey had about 2-3 years of hits with the Tempts so he automatically got the next release with "Get Ready." I heard Norman was a very persistence person and Berry compromised with him.
I think it was almost guaranteed that "Aint Too Proud" was gonna be a smash, but Berry chose to give Smokey the first shot. But when Norman's "Aint Too Proud" charted higher than "Get Ready" and had longer staying power Smokey was out and Norman was in as their main producer.
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Post by smooth on Jan 15, 2009 20:38:43 GMT -5
I've heard the story of this by many Motown sources. The way it was done was if a producer had a hit on the group that producer/producers automatically cut the next song. So it was make or break with Norman. Smokey had about 2-3 years of hits with the Tempts so he automatically got the next release with "Get Ready." I heard Norman was a very persistence person and Berry compromised with him. I think it was almost guaranteed that "Aint Too Proud" was gonna be a smash, but Berry chose to give Smokey the first shot. But when Norman's "Aint Too Proud" charted higher than "Get Ready" and had longer staying power Smokey was out and Norman was in as their main producer. Get Ready was a smash also, reaching number 1 on the R&B charts.The thing was Aint Too proud To Beg charted higher on the pop charts than Get Ready,but what I was saying was that even though Norman was the main producer Smokey didnt have another single release while Ruffin was in the group,which I find strange because Norman was given single releases on the Tempts when Smokey was the main producer. Plus Smokey had 8 hits on the Tempts so how does Smokey not have another shot at a Temptation release.With that track record you would think that Smokey would get at least 1 more shot.Unless Smokey just decided to let Norman have The Tempts. Even on the album fillers when Smokey was the main producer Norman would have 3 or 4 songs on the album,but when Norman was the main producer,Smokey might have 1 song on the album or 2 songs if he was lucky. I'm just wondering if there was something else to it,thats all. |
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Post by stilltempting21 on Jan 15, 2009 21:24:10 GMT -5
it could be a number of things...i mean in the interview on PBS Berry said he was a little upset that his songs were being turned down over smokey's so that could have been an issue. Could be money thing too smokey was one of his main artist with one of his most successful groups at the time in the miracles, and having to pay him for as an artist and song writer could have been a problem. Also smokey was doing work with Marvin Gaye, Mary Wells, and the Marvelettes as well. Plus there is nothing wrong with change. Norman brought something new to the table his songs were more soulful to say then smokey's, and also a little more edgie then smokey's as well you can hear that just listening to Get Ready and Ain't to Proud to Beg
but unless we were there we will never know why so we can guess all we like but the truth is no one knows the answers. I believe that berry and smokey had such a close relationship at the time even now they wouldn't fully tell the truth on what went down because they understand its a business they were in.
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Post by smooth on Jan 15, 2009 22:44:57 GMT -5
it could be a number of things...i mean in the interview on PBS Berry said he was a little upset that his songs were being turned down over smokey's so that could have been an issue. Could be money thing too smokey was one of his main artist with one of his most successful groups at the time in the miracles, and having to pay him for as an artist and song writer could have been a problem. Also smokey was doing work with Marvin Gaye, Mary Wells, and the Marvelettes as well. Plus there is nothing wrong with change. Norman brought something new to the table his songs were more soulful to say then smokey's, and also a little more edgie then smokey's as well you can hear that just listening to Get Ready and Ain't to Proud to Beg but unless we were there we will never know why so we can guess all we like but the truth is no one knows the answers. I believe that berry and smokey had such a close relationship at the time even now they wouldn't fully tell the truth on what went down because they understand its a business they were in. I know there's nothing wrong with change I was just wondering thats all.I dont think his songs were more soulful than Smokey's.I think Smokey's songs brought out the best in the Tempts vocally.His songs were more poetic and more romantic.I Want A Love I Can See,even though it didnt chart, probably because it came out in the doo-wop era and it wasnt a doo-wop type of song,but it is one of the Tempts most soulful love songs.The Way You Do The Things You Do,My Girl,Its Growing,Since I Lost My Baby,My Baby,Dont Look Back,Get Ready,Who You Gonna Run To,No More Water In The Well,You Can Depend On Me,Baby I Need You,Fading Away,that whole Tempts Sing Smokey album is real soulful and it might be there most soulful album,it is definitely regarded by some music experts as the greatest album of that decade.When it came to their love songs Smokey wrote their most famous songs and his songs were just as soulful if not a little bit more,the only thing that other songwriters had over Smokey was that their beats on their songs might have been rougher or cathcier,but lyrically not more soulful in my opinion I dont think Aint Too Proud To Beg was more soulful or edgier than Get Ready,Get Ready was arguably just as soulful.The Tempts went to church on Get Ready,they sound like a church group,especially with those harmonies,I think the beat from Aint Too Proud To Beg reasonated with the mainstream audience more,whereas, its been said the Get Ready beat was too intense for the mainstream They were both soulful songs.I dont want to turn this into a VERSUS argument.lol.Norman's love songs were different,not necessarily edgier or more soulful,I think songs like Cloud Nine were edgier,those type of songs definitely were,but the love songs I dont think were more soulful,they mainly had to deal with losing your woman or begging her back,whereas Smokey's songs were more romantic,and even when his songs dealt with losing your woman it was still sweet,and soulful at the same time.They had different styles, I wouldnt say one was more soulful than the other. |
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