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Post by davidruffinlover on Aug 10, 2005 0:41:39 GMT -5
"Learned much here on the board.....anyways; I still love the movie for what it is. =D " I ain't blaming no one, ain't exactly agreeing with anyone either but still. Opps, & I so meant Tammy, not Claudette. My sister was raving about Smokey as I wrote that.
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Post by lightdion on Aug 10, 2005 0:57:54 GMT -5
Yes, he's very serious. I, myself, didn't appreciate the dialogue during the dinner table scene at first, either, but I've also come to accept the movie for what it is... a movie.At the end of the day, David Ruffin was a drug addict who had abusive relationships with women. He got himself fired from the biggest group in the world through his selfish, unprofessional, irresponsible behavior and ultimately threw his life away on addiction...disappointing a lot of people in the process. I'm saying this as a huge David Ruffin fan! That much about his life is well-documented...no need to even ask Otis' opinion. With respect to the TV mini-series, Otis didn't write the script. It was based -- to varying degrees -- on his book. If you haven't read his book, yet, it's difficult to challenge his credibility. You'll find quite a few things in the movie that don't match up with what Otis actually said in his autobiography. Unlike any of us, Otis Williams was there every step of the way. It's clear just how much he admired and loved each of the other members. They all had their negatives, but he's quick to point out that the magic they had when they stepped on stage together was something that can never be duplicated. Each man had his own personal pain to deal with -- and suffered to different degrees before he passed -- but Otis has had to live through and deal with the loss of ALL of them. Through it all, he's not only survived but kept the Temptations alive for each of us...the fans That's not a coward...that's a legend. Through it all, he's not only survived but kept the Temptations alive for each of us...the fans That's not a coward...that's a legend. You've explain it, the way I've been trynna see it. Clears up a lot .......... oh, love me some Otis, no sentiments behind the whole Coward thang. I commend him for coming up with the whole idea anyway, that has brought in countless new or rekindled fans...........  |
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Post by davidruffinlover on Aug 10, 2005 1:05:24 GMT -5
, watching my baby(Leon(David) for ya'll who don't realize) =) I don't know if you realize...Davis Eli Ruffin and the ACTOR Leon are not the SAME PERSON!!! Get it in your head please... Otis isn't the one who needs to be slapped!!!! Don't get me started child!! Yes, I'm VERY aware of the difference!!!!!!! putting "Leon" or David" behind the others name is just kinda a habit that I got into, my bad. And thank you Lightdion!!!! |
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Post by lightdion on Aug 10, 2005 1:13:28 GMT -5
yea i still luv the movie too, i just wish the other temps were alive when o made it so they could have put their input in on it and maybe o wouldn't have told so many lies on david if he were alive when the movie came out O didn't WRITE THE SCRIPT!!! And just how would he benifit from telling lies on David? How do you know he is lying? How do you know Otis told them...You don't...stop proving your ignorance. OKAY, AND WE ARE LEARNING THAT FROM ALL THESE KIND FOLKS AND RESEARCH!!! LIKE WE'VE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, THAT WE LOVE AND RESPECT OTIS WITH ALL OF OUR HEARTS. WITHOUT HIM, THE BEST GROUP TO EVER GRACE THE STAGE WOULD'NT BE AS PUT TOGETHER AS IT IS!!!! I'VE NEVER BLAMED OTIS FOR ANY OF THE WAY THE CHARACTERS WERE DEPICTED IN THE MOVIE.............. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE THAT THAT WAS THE FIRST SOURCE OF INFO THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE KNOWN, AND NOW WE ARE SLOWLY BUT SURELY LEARNING THE TRUE FACTS! THANK YOU AND GOODNIGHT-  ;D |
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Post by davidruffinlover on Aug 10, 2005 1:14:53 GMT -5
BRAVO Lightdion!!!!!!! Ya, so agree with everything she just said =)
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Post by lightdion on Aug 10, 2005 1:18:35 GMT -5
Thanks Co!! I am sure they'll love the "fan fiction" over there...  Oh, you got jokes....... ;D........ very funny..........  |
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Post by davidruffinlover on Aug 10, 2005 1:47:39 GMT -5
Again, agree with her =)
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Post by Aba21 on Aug 10, 2005 7:24:31 GMT -5
Its great that so many have come on board because of the movie. Dennis Edwards said that is how you should view it..............its just a TV movie. I for one am happy it was done despite all its inaccuracies...........it led so many here and created a new fan base for such a great group. But it shouldn't stop there. Research is the key to enlightenment and by doing so you will find out each one of these men was very talented in their own way. As close as Otis was to Melvin, I knew the scene where he died at Mama Rose's was a lie...........and then I found out why he didn't tell the truth. He didn't want the unfortunate details of his death to be shown in the movie. If you read the second edition of his book, he explains that. They squeezed Melvin's car jacking, his prescription drug usage and his skirt chasing all in one scene. Didn't happen that way! ;D
I believe he had no earthly idea that movie would generate as much interest and controversy as it has. I think he was trying to leave something for future fans to enjoy and get a feel for the Temptations, since there is no Biography or no E Hollywood True Story or anything else documented about the group. And before you say it, you darn right he did it for the money!!!! This is America last time I checked!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by tabby on Aug 10, 2005 13:51:50 GMT -5
"Learned much here on the board.....anyways; I still love the movie for what it is. =D " I ain't blaming no one, ain't exactly agreeing with anyone either but still. Opps, & I so meant Tammy, not Claudette. My sister was raving about Smokey as I wrote that. I see! Just wanted to make sure WE don't mess up the facts. |
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Post by MissTara on Aug 10, 2005 15:23:12 GMT -5
Its great that so many have come on board because of the movie. Dennis Edwards said that is how you should view it..............its just a TV movie. I for one am happy it was done despite all its inaccuracies...........it led so many here and created a new fan base for such a great group. But it shouldn't stop there. Research is the key to enlightenment and by doing so you will find out each one of these men was very talented in their own way. As close as Otis was to Melvin, I knew the scene where he died at Mama Rose's was a lie...........and then I found out why he didn't tell the truth. He didn't want the unfortunate details of his death to be shown in the movie. If you read the second edition of his book, he explains that. They squeezed Melvin's car jacking, his prescription drug usage and his skirt chasing all in one scene. Didn't happen that way! ;D I believe he had no earthly idea that movie would generate as much interest and controversy as it has. I think he was trying to leave something for future fans to enjoy and get a feel for the Temptations, since there is no Biography or no E Hollywood True Story or anything else documented about the group. And before you say it, you darn right he did it for the money!!!! This is America last time I checked!!!! ;D ;D ;D  Absolutely.... What "movie" tells the complete truth anyway? Everyone learns to respect the movie for what it really is, a movie. I wonder if dinosaurs are pissed about the truth in Jurassic Park? ;D |
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Post by tabby on Aug 10, 2005 15:34:48 GMT -5
Its great that so many have come on board because of the movie. Dennis Edwards said that is how you should view it..............its just a TV movie. I for one am happy it was done despite all its inaccuracies...........it led so many here and created a new fan base for such a great group. But it shouldn't stop there. Research is the key to enlightenment and by doing so you will find out each one of these men was very talented in their own way. As close as Otis was to Melvin, I knew the scene where he died at Mama Rose's was a lie...........and then I found out why he didn't tell the truth. He didn't want the unfortunate details of his death to be shown in the movie. If you read the second edition of his book, he explains that. They squeezed Melvin's car jacking, his prescription drug usage and his skirt chasing all in one scene. Didn't happen that way! ;D I believe he had no earthly idea that movie would generate as much interest and controversy as it has. I think he was trying to leave something for future fans to enjoy and get a feel for the Temptations, since there is no Biography or no E Hollywood True Story or anything else documented about the group. And before you say it, you darn right he did it for the money!!!! This is America last time I checked!!!! ;D ;D ;D Absolutely.... What "movie" tells the complete truth anyway? Everyone learns to respect the movie for what it really is, a movie. I wonder if dinosaurs are pissed about the truth in Jurassic Park? ;D ((Tara)). This is not one of your best statements. I am quite sure, if there were some Dinos alive today, they would have objected to what they perceived as false information. And I can't even respectthe movie for what it is -- because it is a cheap, sloppy, and amateurish production in my opinion. In short: I came to consider it trash as so many other TV productions are. ;D |
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Post by MissTara on Aug 10, 2005 15:55:43 GMT -5
Absolutely.... What "movie" tells the complete truth anyway? Everyone learns to respect the movie for what it really is, a movie. I wonder if dinosaurs are pissed about the truth in Jurassic Park? ;D ((Tara)). This is not one of your best statements. I am quite sure, if there were some Dinos alive today, they would have objected to what they perceived as false information. And I can't even respectthe movie for what it is -- because it is a cheap, sloppy, and amateurish production in my opinion. In short: I came to consider it trash as so many other TV productions are. ;D ((Grams))) I agree, but I have now chosen NOT to bash the movie, Otis Williams, or whomever else is in the negative spotlight. Just because I didn't word it as you, doesn't mean I don't feel the same. As far as the dino goes, that is what i said. I do think if dino's were alive today, they would object seeing how they were portrayed. Where's my bonk smiley when I need it |
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Post by tabby on Aug 10, 2005 16:28:43 GMT -5
((Tara)). This is not one of your best statements. I am quite sure, if there were some Dinos alive today, they would have objected to what they perceived as false information. And I can't even respectthe movie for what it is -- because it is a cheap, sloppy, and amateurish production in my opinion. In short: I came to consider it trash as so many other TV productions are. ;D ((Grams))) I agree, but I have now chosen NOT to bash the movie, Otis Williams, or whomever else is in the negative spotlight. Just because I didn't word it as you, doesn't mean I don't feel the same. As far as the dino goes, that is what i said. I do think if dino's were alive today, they would object seeing how they were portrayed. Where's my bonk smiley when I need it Well, then we are of one mind. The next Temptation who may consider making a movie about the group's history should insist on being very clear about what the movie is called: biography or work of fiction. In my opinion, that's where the whole issue went in the wrong direction. Too many viewers took the presentation as factual, while the producers fictionalized it. (In my opinon, this was not totally unintentional, though.) |
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Post by tabby on Aug 10, 2005 18:44:05 GMT -5
"... after David, Eddie and Dennis departed..." I agree that Eddie and Dennis were depicted as "departed." David, though, was rather shown as "discarded" in the scene where he is thrown out of a car into the streets. While I agree that Melvin's and Eddie's deaths were handled "tactfully," I strongly object to include David's death within the same category. David Ruffin's death was portrayed completely disrespectful to him as well as his family and those admirers of him who were still able to consider him a human being despite his being demonized. Even if he was not what one may consider an example of virtue, nobody has the right to violate his dignity in death. That scene, in my opinion, was downright obscene -- the brainchild of vengeance, hatred and envy maybe ;D Also, if you ((Beej)) demand that the feelings of relatives who have lost a loved one to cancer be spared, I would like to remind you that there are also many family members of suicides around, facing the hard task to grip the despair and anguish their loved ones struggled with when taking the final step and ending their own lives. The same is true for the families of murder and rape victims who have been "discarded" in a similar way as David was in the movie. Therefore, I do not buy into the "being thoughtful and considerate" angle of your post. In addition, according to Otis' own words, the death of Melvin had been shown as it was to spare his feelings since the event was still "fresh" in his memory. So, here we have a, in my opinion, disgusting double standard: O's grief is considered more relevant than the pain of the Williams family, or Ruffin family. But I guess that was only so, because Otis had absolutely no say in the production of the movie whatsoever. |
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Post by davidruffinlover on Aug 10, 2005 23:18:58 GMT -5
"... after David, Eddie and Dennis departed..." I agree that Eddie and Dennis were depicted as "departed." David, though, was rather shown as "discarded" in the scene where he is thrown out of a car into the streets. While I agree that Melvin's and Eddie's deaths were handled "tactfully," I strongly object to include David's death within the same category. David Ruffin's death was portrayed completely disrespectful to him as well as his family and those admirers of him who were still able to consider him a human being despite his being demonized. Even if he was not what one may consider an example of virtue, nobody has the right to violate his dignity in death. That scene, in my opinion, was downright obscene -- the brainchild of vengeance, hatred and envy maybe ;D Also, if you ((Beej)) demand that the feelings of relatives who have lost a loved one to cancer be spared, I would like to remind you that there are also many family members of suicides around, facing the hard task to grip the despair and anguish their loved ones struggled with when taking the final step and ending their own lives. The same is true for the families of murder and rape victims who have been "discarded" in a similar way as David was in the movie. Therefore, I do not buy into the "being thoughtful and considerate" angle of your post. In addition, according to Otis' own words, the death of Melvin had been shown as it was to spare his feelings since the event was still "fresh" in his memory. So, here we have a, in my opinion, disgusting double standard: O's grief is considered more relevant than the pain of the Williams family, or Ruffin family. But I guess that was only so, because Otis had absolutely no say in the production of the movie whatsoever. Agree =) Specially on the David parts. |
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