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Post by peece2 on Sept 4, 2003 16:06:38 GMT -5
Hey  I'm new here  My vote would be for David to stay. No mistake, the man was a total entertainer and contributed much to the group. That should have been given more than a passing consideration. Also, I read that he had words with BG about Motown's bookkeeping practices. So, I don't think the only reason he was voted out was due to a drug or ego problem??? He had the courage to ask questions and speak his mind."A positive attitude causes a chain reaction of positive thoughts, events, and outcomes. It is a catalyst...a spark that creates extraordinary results." |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 4, 2003 16:13:42 GMT -5
Hey I'm new here My vote would be for David to stay. No mistake, the man was a total entertainer and contributed much to the group. That should have been given more than a passing consideration. Also, I read that he had words with BG about Motown's bookkeeping practices. So, I don't think the only reason he was voted out was due to a drug or ego problem??? He had the courage to ask questions and speak his mind."A positive attitude causes a chain reaction of positive thoughts, events, and outcomes. It is a catalyst...a spark that creates extraordinary results." Makes perfect sense to me!  Welcome aboard! ;D |
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Post by peece2 on Sept 4, 2003 16:27:55 GMT -5
Thanks, Aba21 for the welcome |
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Post by peece2 on Sept 4, 2003 16:28:47 GMT -5
Thanks, Aba21 for the welcome |
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Post by TheVoice on Sept 20, 2003 9:42:24 GMT -5
Man, this was interesting.....but I would have had to vote for David to be out.
If he had never left, Ali would have never got a chance which only means I would have never got a chance......
but no David really did have to go.......No one is bigger then the group......J/M/O
Dennis learned this, as well as Ali and anyone else that didn't their job fully. J/M/O
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 20, 2003 13:21:15 GMT -5
Man, this was interesting.....but I would have had to vote for David to be out. If he had never left, Ali would have never got a chance which only means I would have never got a chance...... but no David really did have to go.......No one is bigger then the group......J/M/O Dennis learned this, as well as Ali and anyone else that didn't their job fully. J/M/O Does this apply to Otis also? Especially if you buy that "no man is bigger that the group crap,which for the record I don't buy and you don't either. If you are expected to "do your job fully" ,you should get paid fully ,which as you should know they were not. I know that you know ,or heard about the business aspect of things.....members not getting paid what they were supposed to ....if you are on eighteen months probation....getting "salary" and to your understanding after that period of time passes..you start getting "members money"...get equal pay as the rest...and you find that after thirty-six months..you are still getting "probation money"...how would you feel? Would you be "Johnnie on the spot"? Would you have the zeal to..do right and be a "team player" when the team is leaving your butt out to dry...alnd all you're doing is your job...would you put up with that? I would not...and I don't think anyone in their right mind would ,either. It's a two-way street...otherwise ,what's the sense in being in the group? But sometimes when we stand up for what is right ...we are labeled as "troublemakers"...or having a "big ego"...when all that you are doing is fighting for your rights. Most of the members left because of business reasons. I am sure that if you talked to Woodson...he told you something like that....you don't have to confirm,or deny....just look at yourself in the mirror eyeball to eyeball....you know what I'm saying has merit and is something that you heard as many times as you hear "ego-trippin' ". Deep down inside ,you know what I'm talking about......you don't have to admit it to me....just don't fool yourself,I know what time it is! :yourock: ![]() temptsinfo.com/smilies/wtg.gif![]() |
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Post by AnnaKonda on Sept 20, 2003 14:15:27 GMT -5
Welcome Voice,
you've just found the greatest board ever!
I agree with Mike in that David had been labeled as a trouble-maker when he really had a cause to make such trouble, and sometimes I do suspect he was egged on by others to take on Berry. In addition, O. should not blame everything on others egos -- his was and still is quite an "inflated" thing too. He probably felt threatened by people who did not easily subject themselves to his strict rule. (I think David had learned a lesson as well as Eddie after he had left the group, and he should at least have been allowed back.)
Otis wanted David out because there was really no other reason than him not wanting the group to be called David Ruffin and the Temptations -- that would have been a blow to his big ego.
But I have to admit, if one guy confuses me, it is Otis!
Again, welcome.
AK
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Post by jusme on Sept 21, 2003 18:13:19 GMT -5
I would have to say IN...I mean, David was the man...no matter how huge his ego. Angel :angel: |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 21, 2003 20:20:06 GMT -5
Many people are in jobs that don't pay them what they deserve to be paid but they don't NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK because of it. There has to be another way to get your point accross if you feel you're underpaid other than prove it by destroying the group and yourself to make a point. If i had chosen to not show up for work because Dr. J was making more than me or if I just felt I was underpaid I would have been out on my a%@ in a heartbeat with nowhere else to go and play...in America anyway. Otis didn't hold David's contract....Motown did and that's who his beef should have been with not Otis. I reference this only when it comes to David, the others HAD to deal with Otis because at a certain point he was the man in charge but not when it came to David's contract. That's only if you say the reason he was let go was because of money which we all know now was not the only reason. I don't cotton to all Otis has done when it comes to the group but since he was the one in charge and most knew the rules before they joined then when they became subject to those rules they should not have been surprised. Doesn't make it right.......just the way it was. Because anywhere you went after being a Temptation was a step down in my book!
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Post by kalisa2 on Sept 21, 2003 20:54:19 GMT -5
Many people are in jobs that don't pay them what they deserve to be paid but they don't NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK because of it. There has to be another way to get your point accross if you feel you're underpaid other than prove it by destroying the group and yourself to make a point. Aba...There are also many people who are in jobs where they don't feel there are getting paid what they deserve who do go on strike to make their point. I don't believe the pay was the only issue David had. We don't know what his true thoughts were, but I believe he TRIED for a unified strike-type situation and seemed to be the only one on THAT team when it came down to it. AnnaKonda...I would have to go back and listen to my Ruffin interviews, but at least he SAID (if my memory serves me) that the "David Ruffin and the Temptations" ploy wasn't all about his ego...it was about his GROUP playing second or third fiddle to "Diana Ross and the Supremes" as much as anything else. |
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Post by kalisa2 on Sept 21, 2003 21:17:48 GMT -5
and, that said, I don't think David working alone as a 'strike force' could have the impact on Motown that he hoped...it made him the renegade, the trouble maker, the dispensable one. I can't be convinced that the group "voted him out" without backing from the head cheese at Motown, sorry. His other personal problems just gave them a good excuse, so he shot himself in the foot on that one. Just my thoughts.
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 21, 2003 21:18:38 GMT -5
Aba...There are also many people who are in jobs where they don't feel there are getting paid what they deserve who do go on strike to make their point. I don't believe the pay was the only issue David had. We don't know what his true thoughts were, but I believe he TRIED for a unified strike-type situation and seemed to be the only one on THAT team when it came down to it. AnnaKonda...I would have to go back and listen to my Ruffin interviews, but at least he SAID (if my memory serves me) that the "David Ruffin and the Temptations" ploy wasn't all about his ego...it was about his GROUP playing second or third fiddle to "Diana Ross and the Supremes" as much as anything else. Kalisa the other jobs you speak of aren't Entertainment or Professional Sports where the possibility of going somewhere else to work doing the same thing is available if you quit. Had i quit my team I would have had no other options in the US to ply my specialty to make the money I was looking for. That's what i meant...David had no barganing chip in that way. What was he gonna do?........say I quit and am going to sing with the Spinners.....i think not.........so in that regard only he had no where to go and though he may have been willing to risk it all.....the others were scared of what might occur if it didn't work. |
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Post by kalisa2 on Sept 21, 2003 21:23:54 GMT -5
Kalisa the other jobs you speak of aren't Entertainment or Professional Sports where the possibility of going somewhere else to work doing the same thing is available if you quit. Had i quit my team I would have had no other options in the US to ply my specialty to make the money I was looking for. That's what i meant...David had no barganing chip in that way. What was he gonna do?........say I quit and am going to sing with the Spinners.....i think not.........so in that regard only he had no where to go and though he may have been willing to risk it all.....the others were scared of what might occur if it didn't work. Oh, I agree with you, Aba...see my second post. Was just trying to add a modified perspective from what *I* feel might have been going on with David and the group, from the reading I've done and interviews I've listened to. |
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Post by kalisa2 on Sept 21, 2003 21:29:32 GMT -5
...and besides, don't forget... David didn't quit...he was ousted. |
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Post by Aba21 on Sept 21, 2003 21:30:46 GMT -5
Oh, I agree with you, Aba...see my second post. Was just trying to add a modified perspective from what *I* feel might have been going on with David and the group, from the reading I've done and interviews I've listened to. i just saw your second post.........that was the difference between David and the others....he was not afraid to take a risk whether it was singing or anything else and though some of them may have been ill-advised, the only way to make change to to do something and he did. Now all the powers that controlled his fate in the group had to be scared and so they could not afford to have such an obstinate person in their mist so having him by the ba......er...... screws contractually, it was an easy decision what to do and they used him and Mary Wells as examples to any of the others who fed into that line of thinking. |
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