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Post by SoulStirrer on Jan 3, 2003 14:38:44 GMT -5
Aba,
What shots you've described Wilt with was the arsenal he had when he was just playing defense and not wanting to score. (The greatest scorer in NBA history stops scoring. The irony!!!) The old fallway bank shot... the finger roll, done before the Iceman... in the late '60s early 70's that's all he needed.
Remember, as everyone can see on those old film clips, he could run the court, jump and face up a little. Wilt did play with the Harlem Globetrotters, too.
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Post by sukkafu on Jan 3, 2003 14:41:02 GMT -5
mike, i did present to you the official nba.com stats! it's tough to swallow the truth for the ''truth''man! stories about the tempts are not easily verifiable. check out www.nba.com and see the truth for itself. i don't have anything persoanlly against iverson. i think he's a pretty good player for a painted thug. he's not a quality human being in my book. that's my OPINION, not necessarily based on fact. john stockton is a pretty good human being as well as a great hall of fame player. part one is opinion, part two is based on facts and i've been to several utah jazz games. aba, my clips lost to dallas -shot cold in first half-only 31 points- then scored 61 in the 2nd half-too little too late. |
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Post by Aba21 on Jan 3, 2003 14:43:54 GMT -5
And edfan...how can you say the the Doctor wasn't one of the greatest? You must not have seen him in the ABA. Don't disparage the league because when it disbanded those same players comprised 11 of the 23 all stars in the first year and the Doctor took the hardware home. Those same players, Gilmore, Kenon, C. Jones, B Jones, M. Lucas, Billy Knight, Don Buse, M. Malone, G. Gervin, Super John Williamson, Swen Nater, Marvin Barnes, G. McGinnis, D. Issel, D. Thompson and others dominated the NBA for the next ten years. If Bird and MJ are two of the greatest ever then the Doctor should be somewhere pulling his afro out at the lack of respect for his contributions to the game.
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Post by SoulStirrer on Jan 3, 2003 14:46:05 GMT -5
ABA,
That's right. Always trade up.
Another thing is that the big men now, don't want to play like big men. Garnett, Nowitzki are seven-footers and don't want to play inside. That's where they have their advantage, but they don't want to use it.
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Post by Aba21 on Jan 3, 2003 14:48:36 GMT -5
There is no question in my mind that Wilt was the greatest plyer in NBA history. At one time he held `13 pages of records. When Mike Newlin scored 50 pts in an NBA game for the Netrs he became the 222nd NBA player who scored 50 pts. Wilt did it 222 times by himself. He grabbed 55 rebounds in a game against Russell. Only center to lead league in assists. I know what I got at center!!!! ;D
And having played against him everday in practice, I also know he can run, jump and move with anybody whoever played.
He played with the trotters when he left Kansa early and they wouldn't let him play in the league.
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Post by Aba21 on Jan 3, 2003 14:53:13 GMT -5
The two players younamed I don't have any problem with the way they play because it's a different game now. They both have skills that big men just didn't have when I played. If a coach saw a player do any of the things we take for granted now, their butts would have been sitting on the pine.
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Post by SoulStirrer on Jan 3, 2003 15:02:38 GMT -5
Yeah, but Minnesota and Dallas should not be out-rebounded almost any night. Plus, you can use both inside and outside skills.
Like you said, it is about making the game easier. Which what Shaq does.
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Post by earthangel on Jan 3, 2003 15:08:52 GMT -5
Yeah, Shaq can tear up a team's defense with his size and "create" easy shots
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Post by sukkafu on Jan 3, 2003 15:14:58 GMT -5
last night the clippers were outsized by the mavs-dallas has lafraentz at 7 foot, bradley at 7 foot 6, nowitzki at 7 foot, and yet the clippers out rebounded them 56 to 44. dallas does outside shots and run and gun . they lead the league in scoring with 103 per game. i like shaq, wilt, kareem, moses, russell-these guys are insiders. wilt the stilt was my hero growing up. i was sad to see the warriors lose to the celtics in the finals. i couldn't believe how wilt averaged 50.4 points per game one season, and 44 points per game another. AVERAGED!!!!   |
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Post by earthangel on Jan 3, 2003 15:17:25 GMT -5
I know, that is an amazing average. |
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Post by Aba21 on Jan 3, 2003 15:18:38 GMT -5
He was averaging 52 pts a game when he broke his nose and his average fell to 50 pts a game.
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Post by iratherlikeme on Jan 3, 2003 16:02:32 GMT -5
I always wondered why they called MJ the best to ever play the game.
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Post by kim on Jan 3, 2003 16:18:35 GMT -5
Iratherlikeme I think he is considered the greatest by sportswriters today who are in there 30's and early 40's other sportswriters who have been around for some decades. consider Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem and Bill Russell as their top players. ABA Wilt retired when I was like 6 or 7 so I really don't have a memory about his style of play. I think that the center is the backbone of the team. Heck Hakeem carried my Rockets on his back for years.  |
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Post by SoulStirrer on Jan 3, 2003 16:32:57 GMT -5
Anytime somebody does something nowadays, they are considered the greatest of all time. Wait 'till someone says that *fill-in-the-blank* is better than the Temptations. That'll cause a firestorm!  |
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Post by Aba21 on Jan 3, 2003 16:37:39 GMT -5
I was just starting out when Wilt retires but he was thinking he was gong to play in the ABA which is why he took the coaching job. So he practiced hard every day against us to get in shape and I saw what he must have been like back in the day.. But having played the game myself I can tell you he was the best without a doubt.
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