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Post by PeteGunn on Jan 28, 2005 0:40:16 GMT -5
True, but who gets the money. I know Gordy maintained control over some records but thought he eventually let go of all control, but maybe not. Of course, it's much more than money. It's the realization that these songs and this music have become American standards and as such, are much more than a niche market for a certain period of years. Now we milk the money out of the originators of this music and then we have the music itself to keep making money for the future as All-time American standards. It's the realization that Gordy was right to create crossover music. Hey, it must feel really good to know that you've created American standards, good for all time. If BG hasn't sold his share of Jobete, then he should still get royalties from this. Of course he should still get songwriter's royalties. But this set is interesting for two reasons: These songs in this format would appeal to the people who enjoy Motown the greatest. People who love this stuff, know of the stories and relationships, would get the most benefit form this. The "average" person, would not care about Mable Johns' version of Money or the the Supremes singing Uptight unfortunately. The shocking thing is that, even though this is an American product, this is beloved more in Europe than here, with a lot of the information coming from European fans. I would assume, then, Universal/Motown/Hip-O considers this a niche market, paying just enough attention to work on this material, but not as much as some of us wish they would. The other thing is the distribution method. You can get this online or if a retailer has special ordered it . I think this is the way this material will come out now, because Universal/ Motown will assume that it can reach the market it is intended for, without the inventory problems inherent in marketing and selling something that may not be a big selling item. This is the way David's unreleased album came out, this the way the massive project of releasing EVERY Motown single of the Detroit years will come out(they've already released vol. 1). So My Girl by the Tempts is a standard and is enjoyed by a wide audience and is marketed as such. My Girl by Marvin Gaye is not a standard and is marketed to a much smaller audience, satisfying the niche market for the unreleased music. |
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Post by brunneng on Jan 29, 2005 11:32:22 GMT -5
[quote author=janebse Of course, it's much more than money. .[/quote] With business, it is always about the money.  ...all I need... |
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Post by janebse on Jan 29, 2005 18:16:31 GMT -5
Motown is slowly, very slowly releasing records in its vaults. And will continue to do so for a number of years. Hey, Motown Sings Motown Treasures just gives us a slight indication of how much recording those great artists did at Motown.
However, they are not releasing the lower tiers of performers, like the Elgins, in the United States. These are niche performers and not financially profitable. Apparently there are performers who have great appeal in Europe, but not here. I am not sure whether there will be a special release over there for them or not.
Some records are classics and are reissued every so often, combined with other classics. But I am happy we have Hip-O-Select to keep giving us all sorts of records.
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Post by PeteGunn on Jan 31, 2005 23:29:31 GMT -5
Motown is slowly, very slowly releasing records in its vaults. And will continue to do so for a number of years. Hey, Motown Sings Motown Treasures just gives us a slight indication of how much recording those great artists did at Motown. However, they are not releasing the lower tiers of performers, like the Elgins, in the United States. These are niche performers and not financially profitable. Apparently there are performers who have great appeal in Europe, but not here. I am not sure whether there will be a special release over there for them or not. Some records are classics and are reissued every so often, combined with other classics. But I am happy we have Hip-O-Select to keep giving us all sorts of records. Well, we've always established for years that Motown put out anywhere from 10% to 25% of their total output. So, we knew this had to happen sooner or later. The big thing is that no one knows how much material has been lost due to destroyed masters or reuse of tape. The lower tier performers have albums in the States. Brenda Holloway, the Originals, the Velvelettes, the Contours, and Kim Weston have recent CDs from Motown. The Fantastic Four have a "best of" album that was out aa few years ago. The "neglected" artists such as the Spinners and the Isley Brothers have compliation albums from Motown, also. The Elgins and the Monitors may have the same problem: Not enough found material for them yet. (The minute an Elgins compliation comes out, I'm buying, no questions asked) And no one's put out the Ric-Tic/Golden World stuff out, the company that gave BG a little trouble in the 60's. And that's stuff that I'm waiting to hear, too. With the ability to sell online, plus they ability to download songs, the pipeline from vault to consumer should be a lot easier. |
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Post by PeteGunn on Jan 31, 2005 23:35:41 GMT -5
And how could I forget the late, great Shorty Long, who has a compliation album on Spectrum, but everyone's waiting for THE album with EVERYTHING on it.
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Post by GD on Feb 17, 2005 0:30:46 GMT -5
{{PeteGunn}}How you doin'? ! Lot of great music on this CD. Rockin' as Marvin's "How Sweet It Is" has been for 40 years, Mr Big's and his brothers version ain't taking a back seat at all. "How Sweeet, sweet it is"!!! Sounds like James Taylor heard it before he went to the studio. The Tempts "What 2 Can Easily Do" would've easily been on "....Sing Smokey Vol.2". We were always talking about "gold in the vaults".......Between "Cellarful", "Standing in the Shadows" and this expanded "Motown Sings Motown"
amazingly there's still magic coming from 2648 West Grand Blvd!! No doubt some of these tunes were in the can all these years for cause.... they aren't that memorable. But some.....(Isley's "What Becomes of the BrokenHearted", Stevie's "...Symphony" ) are nuggets!!!
Peace
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Post by DC on Feb 17, 2005 11:09:39 GMT -5
Wow!! Did you all see how much material is in the vaults in the pictures in side the Treasures cd. unbelievable. No telling whats in there, we Motown fans are in trouble. I don't think Motown even knows all they have in the vault, and that's scary. There is so much material that we Motown fans can't possibly hear.  |
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Post by GD on Feb 18, 2005 8:00:50 GMT -5
It's a good thing that Levi, the Tops and the Andantes wrested "Ask The Lonely" from Tommy Good and turned it into the classic we all love. I don't think his original version would've made it.......Peace
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Post by Cadeho on Mar 22, 2005 0:45:12 GMT -5
Mine doesn't have a glitch. Yay!
Eddie Holland's version was too early to be released at the same time as the Tempts'.
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Post by PeteGunn on Mar 27, 2005 21:53:24 GMT -5
{{PeteGunn}}How you doin'? ! Lot of great music on this CD. Rockin' as Marvin's "How Sweet It Is" has been for 40 years, Mr Big's and his brothers version ain't taking a back seat at all. "How Sweeet, sweet it is"!!! Sounds like James Taylor heard it before he went to the studio. The Tempts "What 2 Can Easily Do" would've easily been on "....Sing Smokey Vol.2". We were always talking about "gold in the vaults".......Between "Cellarful", "Standing in the Shadows" and this expanded "Motown Sings Motown" amazingly there's still magic coming from 2648 West Grand Blvd!! No doubt some of these tunes were in the can all these years for cause.... they aren't that memorable. But some.....(Isley's "What Becomes of the BrokenHearted", Stevie's "...Symphony" ) are nuggets!!! Peace The great one!!!! I knew you'd like this set!!! There were enough things released on the Tempts, produced by Smokey, to do a followup to 'Sing Smokey'. And how much overflow from the original still exists? 'Smile' is one of the jewels of this set. I had heard this version a few years ago, but cleaned up this was great. And I believe Ronnie when he says that they did a lot of classics that were done by others, first. That's the way this company worked. |
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Post by PeteGunn on Mar 27, 2005 21:55:05 GMT -5
Mine doesn't have a glitch. Yay! Eddie Holland's version was too early to be released at the same time as the Tempts'. Whitfield's got so many songs done like this, it's funny. |
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Post by Weak4Weeks on Mar 31, 2005 3:59:30 GMT -5
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Post by GD on Apr 8, 2005 22:14:50 GMT -5
Anyone have any info on the upcoming 2nd set of Lost and Found recordings??? Martha & the Vandella's “http://www.hip-oselect.com/catalogue_martha.asp" is the first of this "new" series of lost recordings.. When the Tempts' Lost and Found "You've Got to Earn It" CD came out in '99, it was said that the 2nd Classic 5 (Dennis, Eddie, Otis, Paul and Melvin) had alot of unreleased music also. I really hope even more Temptations Motown Treasures have been magically "found" for us. We'll see (hear).................Sure are a WHOLE bunch of tunes on this M &Vandellas set!!! The Funk Brothers were at their soulful best on some Martha/Vandellas tunes (My Baby Loves Me, You've Been In Love too Long) 'back in the day". I bet they have some grooves going on some of these cuts.
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Post by GD on Apr 8, 2005 22:22:26 GMT -5
The page didn't open.  Go to Hip O Select to link to Martha's CD. |
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Post by brunneng on Apr 9, 2005 10:37:42 GMT -5
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