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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 12, 2004 14:30:04 GMT -5
Mike...you're getting on my last nerve with that question. How so? Anyway can't leave the last nerve untouched. ;D |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 12, 2004 14:32:31 GMT -5
that's IT??? whooo boy, I don't understand why Mikey keeps making all these veiled references to something sinister afoot with that little remark...what's with that Mike? Thanks, McRibs  Did you read the revised edition ...the part about the Reunion tour? It differs from the hardcover,correct? No veiled references,here...just read that part,then we can talk.  |
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Post by kalisa2 on Jul 13, 2004 11:00:52 GMT -5
Did you read the revised edition ...the part about the Reunion tour? It differs from the hardcover,correct? No veiled references,here...just read that part,then we can talk. Yah ok, I found my revised edition, and I can see where you're coming from. I don't read it the same way, he was making true statements (I have from other sources that indeed they could vouch that David's and Eddie's performances were 'uneven' during the Reunion concerts.) which is basically all Otis really said. (That little paragraph reminds me of his statement in the other article you posted, where he slings dirt all over Dennis then says "But we're not here to sling mud"...LOL!) But he really didn't go into any more private business-type dirt about David or Eddie in the Revised edition...just said that he COULD have said a lot more, but didn't. Eddie said it to a reporter, knowing it would be published somewhere. That reason just doesn't wash for me. More people read newspapers than buy books. Eddie made three references to Paul's drinking, plus his performance slipping ("He didn't have the moves"). How much worse was anything Otis said about it? Good question, and we don't know the answer either way. We don't know that he did anything...and we also don't know for sure that he DIDN'T try. Eddie was unable to help Paul. How do we know that Otis didn't have similar experience? You ask the question "Who knew about Paul's problems before he died?". I don't think that is the pertinent question. The correct question still is (in regards to whether Otis is the devil incarnate for talking about Paul's problems) "Who knew about Paul's problems before Otis published his book?". |
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Post by kalisa2 on Jul 13, 2004 11:49:20 GMT -5
How so? Anyway can't leave the last nerve untouched. ;D :laughing :laughing :laughing ....and you do it so very well at times, sweetie  |
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Post by Temptress on Jul 13, 2004 22:28:00 GMT -5
I have both of my books handy and I'm not seeing anything in the revised edition that speaks to trashing David & Eddie. At least not yet. I don't recall reading anything the first time I looked at it. I don't think he trashed them either. But I don't have the first book only the updated edition |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 14, 2004 12:18:33 GMT -5
Yah ok, I found my revised edition, and I can see where you're coming from. I don't read it the same way, he was making true statements (I have from other sources that indeed they could vouch that David's and Eddie's performances were 'uneven' during the Reunion concerts.) which is basically all Otis really said. (That little paragraph reminds me of his statement in the other article you posted, where he slings dirt all over Dennis then says "But we're not here to sling mud"...LOL!) But he really didn't go into any more private business-type dirt about David or Eddie in the Revised edition...just said that he COULD have said a lot more, but didn't. Well,you're opening your eyes! Can you tell me how Otis made this statement? In the hardcover he said Eddie did his job beautifully. He said this when Eddie was alive,why the change in story when Eddie died if TRASHING wasn't on Otis' agenda? Isn't that what Otis said? |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 14, 2004 12:30:15 GMT -5
Eddie said it to a reporter, knowing it would be published somewhere. That reason just doesn't wash for me. More people read newspapers than buy books. Eddie made three references to Paul's drinking, plus his performance slipping ("He didn't have the moves"). How much worse was anything Otis said about it? There is no direct quote from Eddie saying anything like you say he did. You fail to realize that Paul & Eddie were friends since teenage years they've seen each other in all kinds of situtations happy,sad,mad,drunk,sober,high & low.Can't you say that about a lifelong friend? The performances were slipping due to ILLNESS,not drinking. You ask abut the difference in Eddie's alledged remarks and Otis'? PROFIT ! Otis' intent was to cash in ,putting a new spin to the term "Black Exploitation",he exploited Paul. Otis had the chance to correct his mistake....namely identifying the woman on Paul's lap. He instead chose to add more on Eddie & David. |
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Post by kym on Jul 14, 2004 13:42:44 GMT -5
Good question. I remember the last time I saw Paul alive,he was having trouble with some of the steps. He still sang his ass off. Now ,can one honestly say that the man was missing steps because he was drunk,or sick? I've seen people that are sick and they look like they are on drugs,or drunk. Ever seen anyone go into a diabetic coma? I have and you can't tell if they are drunk,having a stroke,or going into a diabetic coma. You don't know,unless you're a doctor. Mike, how old were you when you saw this performance? And do you remember what you were thinking then? |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 14, 2004 14:08:05 GMT -5
Mike, how old were you when you saw this performance? And do you remember what you were thinking then? Old enough to remember handing him tissues to wipe the sweat off his face I remember him having trouble towards the end of the show I was twelve or thirteen I thought that the man was working extra hard |
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Post by kym on Jul 14, 2004 14:14:02 GMT -5
Did it scare you at all? Meaning, seeing him appear to struggle?...
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 14, 2004 14:20:16 GMT -5
Did it scare you at all? Meaning, seeing him appear to struggle?... No. I thought that he was working hard,which he was |
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Post by kym on Jul 14, 2004 14:48:18 GMT -5
thanks for the info.. |
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Post by earthangel on Jul 14, 2004 15:30:29 GMT -5
This is my first time reading this article (I dont like to read so I dont come in the section too often, but when I saw that it was about Paul, I decided to take a look-see). Wow...when you read stuff like this is just a fresh reminder of how this was such a horrible loss. I dont really remember Otis saying anything unneccesary about Paul, but then again...it's been a while since I've read the book
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Post by kym on Jul 14, 2004 16:12:55 GMT -5
My take was, Otis explained why/how people came and left the group - I didn't take any of his comments as personal cause he was there and I wasn't..  |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 14, 2004 18:03:26 GMT -5
My take was, Otis explained why/how people came and left the group - I didn't take any of his comments as personal cause he was there and I wasn't.. Maybe if he gave insight as to why he didn't join Eddie & David in cussing Jay out...he wouldn't have had to spend so much time explaining why/how people came and left the group?  |
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