Article re: Paul's death

[mcribs]

Aba21 said:

no one wants to accept the fact he had little or no creative control in that movie. The title Executive Producer was just that a title only.

temptsinfo.com/smilies/wtg.gif This has been addressed and discussed several times, but some people around hear choose to ignore that.

[Aba21]

I have both of my books handy and I'm not seeing anything in the revised edition that speaks to trashing David & Eddie. At least not yet. I don't recall reading anything the first time I looked at it.

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In the chapter that was added to the revised edition, Otis discusses the deaths of David and Eddie. It was not at all gossipy, but rather a warning about the evils of drugs and smoking. That cannot be what Mike is complaining about, can it?

[Aba21]

McRibs said:

In the chapter that was added to the revised edition, Otis discusses the deaths of David and Eddie. It was not at all gossipy, but rather a warning about the evils of drugs and smoking. That cannot be what Mike is complaining about, can it?

that's what's in my revised edition as well.

[crella25]

Keres said:

I don`t want to sound rude now, but how`s this related to article about Paul`s death, which this thread is all about? If someone wants to discuss Otis and his book, then make a thread "Otis and his book".

And how`s Paul was so much better parent than Otis? Paul was an alcoholic! Who knows how he behaved when he was drunk? This is actually not our business anyway.

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I wrote what I did because no seems to mention O's flaws. I fully understand this thread is about Paul. I love Paul, I get really tired of the debate. We knew back then that he drank, we didn't know O to be the groups leader.

[Aba21]

crella25 said:

I wrote what I did because no seems to mention O's flaws. I fully understand this thread is about Paul. I love Paul, I get really tired of the debate. We knew back then that he drank, we didn't know O to be the groups leader.

Crella, I think much of this started when Otis said he was the founder of the group or somebody said it for him. It was at that point that it was brought up Eddie said he was a co-founder in that it was a merging of two groups. So the debate began as to just how much of a leader of the group Otis is supossed to be. His business practices came into question and his character and his portrayal of David Eddie and Paul in his book. While there may be a mislabeld picture of Paul in the book and that could have been the proof reading of the book and his talking about the others faults and not his own, the disagreement is over whether he had the right to right to write about Paul Eddie and David.

[kalisa2]

McRibs said:

In the chapter that was added to the revised edition, Otis discusses the deaths of David and Eddie. It was not at all gossipy, but rather a warning about the evils of drugs and smoking. That cannot be what Mike is complaining about, can it?

that's IT??? whooo boy, I don't understand why Mikey keeps making all these veiled references to something sinister afoot with that little remark...what's with that Mike?
Thanks, McRibs

[kalisa2]

testing this thread...

[crella25]

Thanks Aba. For the life of me I can't get the debate. I mean I like a good debate myself, but this is one for the books. Otis will never be right to some, partly because the other's aren't here to have their say. What he told was not news to me. I was here when it went down, and the news did get to those who were interested. O and Dennis are here, as is Richard. But only O was there then, I mean among the C5. He told his story, the movie people made the movie they wanted to. I liked it either way, because it was from one of them, and not hersay. I can't tell O his story is a lie, it's his take on it. I can compare, and come to a reasonable conclusion as to the truth. Everyone is subject to tunnel vision. Our departed Tempts can't tell the story. They chose not to, for their own personal reasons. I still love them, and will be a fan forever. O keeps it going, good for him. I'm going to get my tickets for the show at RCMH in Aug, this weekend. I'm just glad they were.

[Aba21]

Thanks Crella.......one question. You said you read the article before..........do you know where it came from?

[crella25]

I saw if posted on a site for Paul. I'm not sure of the origin of the article. I'm going to do some surfin' and see if I can recover the site. I will post it when I find the location.

[MikeNYC]

crella25 said:

I wrote what I did because no seems to mention O's flaws. I fully understand this thread is about Paul. I love Paul, I get really tired of the debate. We knew back then that he drank, we didn't know O to be the groups leader.

We knew back when? When Paul was alive?
You are right in what you say about Otis' flaws.

[MikeNYC]

kalisa2 said:

What more did he actually say about David and Eddie, once they were dead, Mike? You keep bringing that up, what was it he actually said that wasn't in the first edition?



Since I don't have my book handy, I have chosen not to address this question. Since your obsessing on it, please give us examples of what he said in the revised edition about Eddie and David.

Why do you keep bringing it up, is it an attempt to direct attention away from the question that has been asked and chosen not to answer?

i.e.

1) Why is Otis a worse person than Eddie for saying the same things Eddie said, AFTER Eddie said them? Don't give me the "it was in a tiny little local publication" lame EXCUSE cuz you don't know if it went further than Detroit Free Press or not, I haven't seen proof that this article was even DFP, it probably got picked up by the national news services since McRib's mom has never been to Detroit, and Aba wasn't in Detroit when Paul died. They heard it nationally, and some of that national information probably came from what Eddie and/or others said when interviewed after Paul died. The fact is, Eddie said it to a reporter, for public consumption, knew it would be printed and read, and apparently didn't think anything malicious about it. Why does Otis constantly get hanged for spilling personal business that was public knowledge?

Kalisa,I answered your question..maybe not the way you wanted me to,but I did answer.
Read the part concerning the Reunion tour. Then, we'll talk.
What is this that you claim that I keep bringing "it" up trying to direct attention away from a question that was asked way before any question that you say I'm trying to avoid. That doesn't make sense. I answer all questions.
Show me a direct quote from Eddie stating anything about Paul's alledged problem. So far,none has been provided.
Show me where Paul's alledged problem was made public while the man was living. That should be easy,since it was "out there" like you say.
Why is Otis a worse person for saying the same things that Eddie said? Number one....Eddie didn't write a book about it. TWO,there is no direct quote from Eddie saying anything near what Otis said. You've been brainwashed by the movie.Eddie tried to help Paul. What did Otis do? Tell Paul's business for PROFIT,not giving a damn about Paul's family and how it would affect THEM. That's MY beef. Nothing more.It was low and lack of class...there's no way that you or anyone else can excuse this.I've said this before and it seems that nobody cares about that. Hell, I wouldn't want otis exposed like that,especially if he was not able to defend himself. That's what I call TRASH,JUNK,GARBAGE and plain old B.S. This is not about a "favorite".What is so hard to understand about that? That's why Otis gets "Hanged for spilling personal business that WAS not public knowledge.Ask anyone if it was public knowledge while Paul was alive.

[MikeNYC]

McRibs said:

This has been addressed and discussed several times, but some people around hear choose to ignore that.

True,I'm one of them that don't buy this excuse. Why? Because it doesn't make sense.I will always say this .

[MikeNYC]

Ivory said:

I know plenty of people who despise Otis and knew him during the time when drug use was more commonly accepted than it is today, people who are all too quick to share anything negative about him that they can and the ONLY drugs I've ever heard him having a problem with are MONEY and WOMEN.

Well, you don't read your board.