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Post by TemptsFanforLife on Jul 11, 2004 1:01:53 GMT -5
I think Otis was referencing back to this "We were in Florida,and I saw this gentle,nice old man(choreographer Cholly Atkins) go somewhere and kick something just to relieve the tension because of this man(Dennis) not participating as a member-he wouldn't come to rehearsals. I was surprised,but he said,'Otis,it just bugs me for this cat to do this!' That's just one (example). We could go on,but like I say, we ain't trying to sling no mud." when he said he "wouldn't miss Dennis cuz he was hurting the group", Temptress. LOL, that reminds me of the line from some movie or play, where some gossipy woman says "I ain't one to gossip, so you didn't hear it from me" before or after she spreads some dirt... That was a character played by Kim Wayans on the show In Living Color. |
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Post by crella25 on Jul 11, 2004 20:40:08 GMT -5
nah, she always gave names. But I get your point. Aba, your showing the same restraint as Eddie Kendrick. I think that's enough said.
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 11, 2004 21:22:54 GMT -5
nah, she always gave names. But I get your point. Aba, your showing the same restraint as Eddie Kendrick. I think that's enough said. crella........... Only because it just don't matter in the long run. It ain't going to change how I feel about the Temptations. I have had a bit of the spotlight in my day and I know I've been talked about, laughed at, called names that I wouldn't want my mother to hear but it just don't matter. I like everyone who has ever been a Temptation period. And I really don't give a hoot what they did in their private life. And what goes on onstage does not reflect what goes on when they leave and I can attest to that many times over......................  |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 12, 2004 15:20:29 GMT -5
Mike  . This article opens up so much. Your right Aba, now there is so much here to talk about. Considering all that is in this article, I'm shocked this thread isn't longer. O didn't go into this kind of explanation in his book. But they were not under Motown at the time, and probably felt a lot of freedom to say what was said. Upon returning, the loyalties to the powers that be are very evident. Mike I see the points you've been driving at. I look forward to this thread finding a new life. I'm shocked too. But I won't let it be IGNORED ! I have more,just can't let it be IGNORED!  |
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Post by crella25 on Jul 12, 2004 19:04:10 GMT -5
crella........... Only because it just don't matter in the long run. It ain't going to change how I feel about the Temptations. I have had a bit of the spotlight in my day and I know I've been talked about, laughed at, called names that I wouldn't want my mother to hear but it just don't matter. I like everyone who has ever been a Temptation period. And I really don't give a hoot what they did in their private life. And what goes on onstage does not reflect what goes on when they leave and I can attest to that many times over...................... I feel the same about the personal life thing, it does nothing to change how I feel. I applaude your restraint, it's is a good thing. I don't feel that just because your in the limelight, it gives the public carte blanche to your life. I would llike, the rumors to be put to rest, but then that would only happen in an ideal world. When Eddie or any of the rest, refused to speak on certain subjects, it showed class and a respect for those involved. If the "dirt" is to be told let the person whose "dirt" it is speak on it. When it's not, everyone else, has a motive. Whether good or bad. It's really none of our business. How many of us (if we were friends or got the chance) would actually spend an evening with one of the dearly departed asking about the rumor mills, or would we spend the time enjoying the company of some very talented and special people. |
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Post by Temptress on Jul 12, 2004 19:20:36 GMT -5
That was a character played by Kim Wayans on the show In Living Color. I know who your talkin about :laughing! Sometimes I feel like that lady when I am talking about people at work. ;D! Bad Bad Temptress. |
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 12, 2004 20:37:33 GMT -5
I feel the same about the personal life thing, it does nothing to change how I feel. I applaude your restraint, it's is a good thing. I don't feel that just because your in the limelight, it gives the public carte blanche to your life. I would llike, the rumors to be put to rest, but then that would only happen in an ideal world. When Eddie or any of the rest, refused to speak on certain subjects, it showed class and a respect for those involved. If the "dirt" is to be told let the person whose "dirt" it is speak on it. When it's not, everyone else, has a motive. Whether good or bad. It's really none of our business. How many of us (if we were friends or got the chance) would actually spend an evening with one of the dearly departed asking about the rumor mills, or would we spend the time enjoying the company of some very talented and special people. Exactly what I mean and I have spent many an evening in the company of these great men and never once did I ask a question regarding anything about their personal history. I won't say I wasn't told things but I did not ask and I will not tell. My childhood friend, Glenn Leonard and I spent a good portion of an evening talking about old times. He had no idea what I knew about his departure and I didn't care. But he sat down and told me in his own words and that was just fine with me. He was my friend before he became a Temptation and I know him now. We had a saying when i was growing up: I knew you when you wasn't when! And that's how I view this..l. A friend doesn't judge another friend, he suppots that friend and that's all i have ever tried to do........... |
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Post by kym on Jul 14, 2004 16:36:38 GMT -5
I don't think Otis ever felt the Temptations would be treated like they treated other groups at Motown when they didn't have a hit. That was a grave mistake on his part. He thought that he could still command the respect that his group got when they were the reason Motown was number 1. By holding on to such beliefs he let the group down. They should have been willing to listen when it came down to writing their own material, changing labels and whatever it took to get the attention of a company who was obviously not paying them the same kind of attention they used to get. But we don't know what was whispered in his ear. Did someone at the company say to him, don't worry we'll always take care of you? If they did, why would he believe it based on what happened to the Spinners, The FOur Tops, Gladys Knight & the Pips and The Supremes. That being said I fault Otis only for being to afraid to take a chance or not having the vision to see things weren't the way they used to be and do something about it. Some people are afraid to change. Another thing, it is well known that Berry pulled his top producers from aorund the company and formed the Corporation. It was these producers and writer who spent time writing and producing the five straight number ones the J-5 had coming out the box. That in itself would have spoken volumes to me if I were in the Temptations shoes. It would be deja vu all over again. ;D ;D ;D ;D I agree! (btw, I just saw this today- thanks Mike) That article revealed to me fresh pain. Pain from Dennis leaving and pain from Motown letting the Temptations down. It seems "they" are taking their frustrations out on one another instead of Motown. Yes they left, and yes they have to give an interview of optimism(sp), but I think they let themselves down because they went right back. Like people who leave and then return back to an abusive relationship. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 14, 2004 18:38:37 GMT -5
Exactly what I mean and I have spent many an evening in the company of these great men and never once did I ask a question regarding anything about their personal history. I won't say I wasn't told things but I did not ask and I will not tell. Neither did I  Yes,I was told some things,but I didn't ask,won't tell. I want to know about the creative aspects of the group...not the trash. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 14, 2004 18:43:19 GMT -5
I agree! (btw, I just saw this today- thanks Mike) That article revealed to me fresh pain. Pain from Dennis leaving and pain from Motown letting the Temptations down. It seems "they" are taking their frustrations out on one another instead of Motown. Yes they left, and yes they have to give an interview of optimism(sp), but I think they let themselves down because they went right back. Like people who leave and then return back to an abusive relationship. Kym,thanks for not IGNORING the article and having the courage to actually read it. Maybe my posting it was not a waste of my time. I'm just sorry it took you so long to discover it. I'll see what I can do to "UNCOVER" future articles from other members who may not have been heard from otherwise. Please bear with me. ;D |
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 30, 2004 11:03:37 GMT -5
Mike...........
I just went back and re-read this article again because there is so much to grasp. Now I wonder why Dennis wasn'r showing for rehersals? And how could he make such a gentle soul as Pops angry? Cholly was so respected that it had to be major for him to be mad at Dennis. Then I also think there was more to Otis statement that he didn't miss Dennis. I mean if he wasn't showing up for rehersal............that too was hurting the group. I know there are more than one or two sides to every story and that's why I don't take one man's word as gospel.
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Post by MikeNYC on Jul 30, 2004 12:47:57 GMT -5
Mike........... I just went back and re-read this article again because there is so much to grasp. Now I wonder why Dennis wasn'r showing for rehersals? And how could he make such a gentle soul as Pops angry? Cholly was so respected that it had to be major for him to be mad at Dennis. Then I also think there was more to Otis statement that he didn't miss Dennis. I mean if he wasn't showing up for rehersal............that too was hurting the group. I know there are more than one or two sides to every story and that's why I don't take one man's word as gospel. Well,he was showing up for recording sessions. Not everyone was! I think that you should read Dennis' article! Then answer why the whole group didn't show up to the recording of Wings Of Love!  |
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Post by MikeNYC on Aug 16, 2004 19:31:41 GMT -5
Well,he was showing up for recording sessions. Not everyone was! I think that you should read Dennis' article! Then answer why the whole group didn't show up to the recording of Wings Of Love! Just seeing that this thread don't die. |
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