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Post by JoAnne on Sept 2, 2004 21:34:34 GMT -5
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 3, 2004 2:16:20 GMT -5
 Legacy and any other CD they EVER come out with =  Now that's kinda strong......I'm not gonna go THAT far to say that,I'm gonna listen first...maybe Ron will get some songs in that he writes,let GC and Ron do some seriuos singing,they may have something,if they come out with something like "Legacy" they will be in trouble as far as making new music goes.I will wait to listen with open ears and mind. Not just waiting to "Bash"it like some may think,if it's good I'll say so just as well as I would if it was bad.Hell,I gave "Legacy" a chance and listened to it quite a few times before I said what I felt about it! |
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Post by Elbridge on Sept 3, 2004 3:06:51 GMT -5
Now that's kinda strong......I'm not gonna go THAT far to say that,I'm gonna listen first...maybe Ron will get some songs in that he writes,let GC and Ron do some seriuos singing,they may have something,if they come out with something like "Legacy" they will be in trouble as far as making new music goes.I will wait to listen with open ears and mind. Not just waiting to "Bash"it like some may think,if it's good I'll say so just as well as I would if it was bad.Hell,I gave "Legacy" a chance and listened to it quite a few times before I said what I felt about it! I feel the exact same way. I gave "Legacy" it's turn in my CD player - even though I was less-than-thrilled after one pass. Some albums grow on me and I thought this might be one of them. I was wrong. However, that does not negate all their future output. That's a little much. Here's what should have been (oh, to have been their producer..  ) 1. Let Ron write - He can, you know. He did some very nice work on "Hear To Tempt You" and he's done nice work since. 2. If you aren't gonna let him write, get songs, not loops. "Something Special" is essentially a two-chord loop. If they were making Funk, they could make the two-chord approach work. But they aren't. In order to make actual R&B songs, you need chords. There's no real reason to be afraid to go to the "song store" if you have to - just as long as your purchases are worthwhile. 3. Do the "round robin" thing with the leads - Give 'em all a chance. People will then know who's in the group because they'll actually hear them. To be honest, I'd probably relegate Otis to the "speaking" thing because he leads best that way. He's excellent in the background and leaving him there would emphasize his strengths. 4. Get good producers - Those that worked on "Legacy" were either in a hurry or they weren't very good - I can't decide which. Far too much of the mixing sounds like a "rush job". They used to say in school, "If you don't have time to do it right, when are you gonna find time to do it over?". Boy does that apply with this album. "You Are Necessary..." is a decent song and it could have made a very nice track if there was a decent producer behind the board. Benjamin Wright is one heck of an arranger but he's no producer and this track proves it. I know of nothing else to say about it other than it's just...odd. The drum machine ruins it. If you're gonna program a machine to sound like real drums, why not get a real drummer?. Programming a machine in that manner gives you very "tinny" and "canned" results. A real drummer would have balanced the sound of the track better. These are elementary decisions that any decent producer would have known to make. Okay, I'm done now...I swear... ;D Ed |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 3, 2004 3:24:04 GMT -5
I feel the exact same way. I gave "Legacy" it's turn in my CD player - even though I was less-than-thrilled after one pass. Some albums grow on me and I thought this might be one of them. I was wrong. However, that does not negate all their future output. That's a little much. Here's what should have been (oh, to have been their producer.. ) 1. Let Ron write - He can, you know. He did some very nice work on "Hear To Tempt You" and he's done nice work since. 2. If you aren't gonna let him write, get songs, not loops. "Something Special" is essentially a two-chord loop. If they were making Funk, they could make the two-chord approach work. But they aren't. In order to make actual R&B songs, you need chords. There's no real reason to be afraid to go to the "song store" if you have to - just as long as your purchases are worthwhile. 3. Do the "round robin" thing with the leads - Give 'em all a chance. People will then know who's in the group because they'll actually hear them. To be honest, I'd probably relegate Otis to the "speaking" thing because he leads best that way. He's excellent in the background and leaving him there would emphasize his strengths. 4. Get good producers - Those that worked on "Legacy" were either in a hurry or they weren't very good - I can't decide which. Far too much of the mixing sounds like a "rush job". They used to say in school, "If you don't have time to do it right, when are you gonna find time to do it over?". Boy does that apply with this album. "You Are Necessary..." is a decent song and it could have made a very nice track if there was a decent producer behind the board. Benjamin Wright is one heck of an arranger but he's no producer and this track proves it. I know of nothing else to say about it other than it's just...odd. The drum machine ruins it. If you're gonna program a machine to sound like real drums, why not get a real drummer?. Programming a machine in that manner gives you very "tinny" and "canned" results. A real drummer would have balanced the sound of the track better. These are elementary decisions that any decent producer would have known to make. Okay, I'm done now...I swear... ;D Ed Why stop now? What you are saying is true,so keep on! ;D |
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Post by Elbridge on Sept 3, 2004 4:14:09 GMT -5
Don't get me preachin' up in here. I'll have everyone mad at me by the time I'm through...LOL!
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 3, 2004 12:42:34 GMT -5
Don't get me preachin' up in here. I'll have everyone mad at me by the time I'm through...LOL! Ed So what? You afraid of pissin' people off? My motto....Better to be pissed off,than pissed ON! ;D |
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Post by Elbridge on Sept 3, 2004 16:08:39 GMT -5
So what? You afraid of pissin' people off? My motto....Better to be pissed off,than pissed ON! ;D LOL! Not really afraid of it. It's just that I've spilled my guts about it before and it's probably getting more than little old to some.. Ed |
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Post by JoAnne on Sept 3, 2004 16:16:09 GMT -5
Now that's kinda strong......I'm not gonna go THAT far to say that,I'm gonna listen first...maybe Ron will get some songs in that he writes,let GC and Ron do some seriuos singing,they may have something,if they come out with something like "Legacy" they will be in trouble as far as making new music goes.I will wait to listen with open ears and mind. Not just waiting to "Bash"it like some may think,if it's good I'll say so just as well as I would if it was bad.Hell,I gave "Legacy" a chance and listened to it quite a few times before I said what I felt about it! Yea Mike, that might be kind of strong, but I've spent money on them in the past and have been disappointed every time. I made my mind up that I will not waste any more money on them. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 5, 2004 18:42:53 GMT -5
LOL! Not really afraid of it. It's just that I've spilled my guts about it before and it's probably getting more than little old to some.. Ed So? Who cares as long as you are telling the truth,those who think it's getting more than a little old...you are expressing your feelings and maybe the new posters didn't hear you the first time out.! Keep on doing what you are diong! |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 5, 2004 18:44:17 GMT -5
Yea Mike, that might be kind of strong, but I've spent money on them in the past and have been disappointed every time. I made my mind up that I will not waste any more money on them. Me too,but that don't keep me from listening. |
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Post by Nupeman88 on Sept 5, 2004 19:10:23 GMT -5
I feel the exact same way. I gave "Legacy" it's turn in my CD player - even though I was less-than-thrilled after one pass. Some albums grow on me and I thought this might be one of them. I was wrong. However, that does not negate all their future output. That's a little much. Here's what should have been (oh, to have been their producer.. ) 1. Let Ron write - He can, you know. He did some very nice work on "Hear To Tempt You" and he's done nice work since. 2. If you aren't gonna let him write, get songs, not loops. "Something Special" is essentially a two-chord loop. If they were making Funk, they could make the two-chord approach work. But they aren't. In order to make actual R&B songs, you need chords. There's no real reason to be afraid to go to the "song store" if you have to - just as long as your purchases are worthwhile. 3. Do the "round robin" thing with the leads - Give 'em all a chance. People will then know who's in the group because they'll actually hear them. To be honest, I'd probably relegate Otis to the "speaking" thing because he leads best that way. He's excellent in the background and leaving him there would emphasize his strengths. 4. Get good producers - Those that worked on "Legacy" were either in a hurry or they weren't very good - I can't decide which. Far too much of the mixing sounds like a "rush job". They used to say in school, "If you don't have time to do it right, when are you gonna find time to do it over?". Boy does that apply with this album. "You Are Necessary..." is a decent song and it could have made a very nice track if there was a decent producer behind the board. Benjamin Wright is one heck of an arranger but he's no producer and this track proves it. I know of nothing else to say about it other than it's just...odd. The drum machine ruins it. If you're gonna program a machine to sound like real drums, why not get a real drummer?. Programming a machine in that manner gives you very "tinny" and "canned" results. A real drummer would have balanced the sound of the track better. These are elementary decisions that any decent producer would have known to make. Okay, I'm done now...I swear... ;D Ed Ed, You are one of the most level-headed people on this board......here it comes,.....but I happen to think that Legacy is a very good album, with very good songs with true meanings, songs with messages, like All The Wrong People, and Mr. Fix-it among others. 'Round Here reminded me of Cloud Nine with the vocal interplay of the group. G.C. proved to me that he can handle the gritty, raspy vocals but he just does not have a lot of power left in his voice. I didn't care for his falsetto either, that is why Ron is in the group. It sounds like Ron Isley to me. Somebody else I let listen to the album said the same thing, well, basically the same thing. This album has better songs and arrangements than "Ear", or "Awesome". I liked it and I listen to it often. My co-workers loved it and they aren't even Tempta-holics. That says a lot to me. I don't give a damn if it bombs or not, I LAUVED IT!!! That's what really matters most, if a fan was pleased with the product. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 5, 2004 20:23:44 GMT -5
I as a fan did NOT enjoy the cd. The people that I played it for did not like it. They are music fans,longtime music fans who thought it was crap. Plain & simple. Some like it,some don't. That's being level. All sides.More important Motown didn't like it...that's why they are label-shopping!
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Post by Nupeman88 on Sept 5, 2004 21:02:22 GMT -5
I as a fan did NOT enjoy the cd. The people that I played it for did not like it. They are music fans,longtime music fans who thought it was crap. Plain & simple. Some like it,some don't. That's being level. All sides.More important Motown didn't like it...that's why they are label-shopping! I can respect your opinions, Mike, do the same for others. Different strokes for different folks. You really mean that you did not like any of the songs? I find that hard to believe....even coming from you. You know good music Mike. Which songs did you not like?  Those suits at Universal/Motown are a bunch of pencil pushers now anyway. Don't give in to their way of thinking now 'Bro. The real Motown is long gone, you know that Mike. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Sept 5, 2004 21:30:11 GMT -5
I can respect your opinions, Mike, do the same for others. Different strokes for different folks. You really mean that you did not like any of the songs? I find that hard to believe....even coming from you. You know good music Mike. Which songs did you not like? Those suits at Universal/Motown are a bunch of pencil pushers now anyway. Don't give in to their way of thinking now 'Bro. The real Motown is long gone, you know that Mike. If you do respect my opinions,then why question the fact that I don't like the songs? Then to state "even coming from you"? Yes,I know good music,that's why I don't like this cd. The music is not good,the group deserved better. The production had no direction. The singers were not used to their potential. The material sucked. I expect better from a group that calls themselves "Temptations".For the record,and I've said this to you many times...I'm not giving into anyone's thinking but my own. Never gave you anything but MY THINKING. If others think the way I do(Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame) ,fine. To me,it don't matter what anyone else thinks. It does not change the way I think. You say that the "old Motown" is dead,it had died a long time ago. I look at Tenna Marie's new effort,she kept her sound,just updated the beat. I love her whole cd,don't care who agrees with me,or not. The "Tempts" didn't keep their "sound" and update the beats.Good music is good music,I don't need anyone to tell me what I'm listening to. You should know this about me,so you don't have to bring the "respect" issue up. That's someone else's style...not yours. Especially if you "respect" my opinions and want someone to do the same to you. |
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Post by Elbridge on Sept 6, 2004 1:47:50 GMT -5
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Nupe. In fact, I'm happy for everyone who enjoys "Legacy". I'm just not one of those people. I think my major problem is that I expected so much more of them. The talent level in this group is just stunning and they deserved better than what I believe they got. When I hear a voice like Terry's singing substandard material (50/50 for instance), it grates on me because he deserves better. That's like Donny Hathaway being asked to sing "Tip-Toe Through The Tulips". The banal sentiments and lazy programming that makes up 50/50 is quite simply beneath Terry's talents as a singer. He deserved better. They all deserved better. I think I've said this before but I wonder how much of it had to do with how much money Motown was willing to put behind the project? Ed P.S.: Thanks for the compliment too, Nupe. It takes one to know one... |
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