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Post by Aba21 on Jun 30, 2005 12:07:16 GMT -5
well Beej.that's all I can try to be is a solid citzen and try to show young people it ain't all aobut bling-bling. Its aobut how you treat your fellow man and what you expect of yourself in this life. To be able to have conversations like this with people like you make it all worth it. Continue to educate yourself as I can tell you have genuine interest in communicating with all kinds of people. Never stop that process as you can learn more from people that from any book!!!!!
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Post by tabby on Jun 30, 2005 12:08:54 GMT -5
" In other words, you like digging up new conspiracies. " ((Beej)) ... all I do is digging in general. I've made some very interesting discoveries -- not necessarily conspiracies, but lots of incongruities  |
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Post by Martin on Jun 30, 2005 12:10:00 GMT -5
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Post by MissTara on Jun 30, 2005 12:11:58 GMT -5
well Beej.that's all I can try to be is a solid citzen and try to show young people it ain't all aobut bling-bling. Its aobut how you treat your fellow man and what you expect of yourself in this life. To be able to have conversations like this with people like you make it all worth it. Continue to educate yourself as I can tell you have genuine interest in communicating with all kinds of people. Never stop that process as you can learn more from people that from any book!!!!! Exactly!  All the experiences I've learned have been through just that. Experience. No book or reality show will teach you that |
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Post by tabby on Jun 30, 2005 12:22:58 GMT -5
Alright! I would like to add that besides making our experiences and learning from them, the most important step to make is to not react on impulse to these lessons, but to process and analyze them before responding. "Get better, not bitter!" |
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Post by Martin on Jun 30, 2005 12:25:33 GMT -5
Alright! I would like to add that besides making our experiences and learning from them, the most important step to make is to not react on impulse to these lessons, but to process and analyze them before responding. "Get better, not bitter!" That`s right, Anna!  |
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Post by Aba21 on Jun 30, 2005 17:02:32 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this story, kalisa. This is an example of what I am talking about having to live with everyday. Think aobut all those young men who will now at some point apply for jobs and have to answer the question, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED? Its ridiculous!!! If one of the kid's parents or relative hadn't been a lawyer and the kid knew not to sign anything, we might not even know anything about this story. During my time on WLIB Radio in New YOrk, we even had commercials telling people who to call if they were stopped simply driving while Black. I have learned over the years to understand if Idon't get a job, or a position or consideration for something I might be interested in, the worst thing I can say is I didn't get it cause I was black, when all the evidence may point to that fact. It has become the excuse of our people when things don't go right so now you can't use it when its valid. On the other hand, I remember when Ray Rhodes was fired as Head Coach of the Green Bay Packers. They still owed him something like 6 million dollars on his contract when he was released. Well Jesse Jackson and AL Sharpton went beserk calling it a racially motivated firing and calling for him to get his job back. I said on my show they were out of line. First of all they didn't have all the facts. There had to be more to the firing than we were allowed to know. And Coaches get fired everyday. Why is Ray Rhodes any different than any white coach? Secondly, he is getting 6 million dollars to go home and sit. They just don't do that to brothers... ;D ;D.....you ain't going home and sit and wait for checks to come to your house ;D. You gonna sweep out the gym, clean the bathrooms....something to get that money!!! ;D Third, but most important, if I am a white owner of a pro team, I am gonna have to really think hard about hiring an african-american head coach knowing that if or when I decide to fire him, I got to expect to be picketed by the NAACP and have Jackson and Sharpton go on TV and say it was racist. So an opportunity for another minority to get a shot might not come about as a result of this move. So it is a double edged sword here we're working with here. These things play into the mind of minorities everyday and sometimes the only way to express the frustation is to let themselves be heard in these trials and courtroom decisions we live through. It is more emotional than rational at times. We are expressing all our frustration with the current system at one time. I know at times I have fallen into that trap myself.  |
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Post by tabby on Jun 30, 2005 17:21:58 GMT -5
Is there anything that acan be done to get these young men's records clean again? That is a priority in my opinion.
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Post by ken-du on Jul 1, 2005 0:38:10 GMT -5
HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING THEY ARE JUST MAD BECAUSE HE CAN SING AND THEY CANT AND I THINK THAT LITTLE BOY SHOULD DIE 4 SAYING THAT BOUT HIM.....SO WHY DONT THE PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT JUST GO TO HELLLLL NO 1 DESERVES THAT NOT EVEN M.J. "THAT LITTLE BOY SHOULD DIE"  ? Your sick in your head to say something like that. This is a adult board go play with your Michael Jackson Doll. |
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Post by davidruffinlover on Jul 1, 2005 1:49:12 GMT -5
" "THAT LITTLE BOY SHOULD DIE" ? Your sick in your head to say something like that. This is a adult board go play with your Michael Jackson Doll." lmao, that Ken-du was funny!! though im sure meant to be taken seriously. Sorry, it made me laugh =) |
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Post by Coey on Jul 1, 2005 6:47:04 GMT -5
I dont think ken-du ment to make you or anyone think it was funny... ...........Because it wasnt.
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Post by Aba21 on Jul 1, 2005 7:36:42 GMT -5
It has always been said that there is strenght in numbers, so sometimes joining a movement may be the only way to attract the necessary attention to an important situation. You have to support causes if you want them to be taken seriously. THe Civil RIghts Movement was such a cause.
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Post by tabby on Jul 1, 2005 10:57:38 GMT -5
It has always been said that there is strenght in numbers, so sometimes joining a movement may be the only way to attract the necessary attention to an important situation. You have to support causes if you want them to be taken seriously. THe Civil RIghts Movement was such a cause. Of course. But I do agree with AnnaK that as an individual he had the right to choose his battles. He certainly wasn't AGAINST the movement, and when called upon sent various Motown acts to participate in marches (Supremes for one...? correct me if I'm wrong). Now, whether his primary motivation was to aid in breaking down racial and social barriers by way of music, or to line Motown's coffers... the end result was the same (both). I don't know enough about BG's involvement or lack thereof in the struggle to further comment on the subject. Maybe he just didn't approve of the approach that was taken as Malcolm X, for example, did |
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Post by MissTara on Jul 1, 2005 13:12:24 GMT -5
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Post by tabby on Jul 2, 2005 13:00:19 GMT -5
For those born after the Civil Rights Movement, you could have watched racism " at its best" in South Africa ... It's all been about exploiting a segment of the population that had been declared "inferior" and controlling the land stolen from them.
The penalty for interracial couples in SA was death (at least for some time during the 20th century.) How about that?
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by hiring white people in the high-paying executive jobs at Motown, causing unrest in the ranks there... take from that what you will also. As Raynoma quoted... "What good was being allowed to sit at a lunch counter, if you couldn't afford to eat there?)