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Post by Beej on May 2, 2005 0:34:13 GMT -5
From CourtTV... "One of the books confiscated from Jackson's home in 1993 is entitled 'The Boy: A Photographic Essay.' According to child erotica connoisseurs on the Internet, this rare book is considered to be 'a homoerotic classic.' The book, published in 1964, contains dozens of photographs of nude prepubescent boys, many in suggestive poses. There are nude boys captured outdoors, nude boys who appear to be posing for the camera, and boys displaying full frontal nudity."
"Retired NYPD sex crimes investigator Joe Gelfand, who worked in the pedophile unit for 12 years along with associates from the FBI, also studied the book. In his opinion, the coffee-table-size tome 'is geared for people who, I would say, would be sexually attracted to adolescent boys.' Asked if he considered it a pornographic book, Gelfand told Court TV, 'I've made [m]any arrests in my day and many times we've seen photographs like this in the homes of pedophiles. It's not sexually explicit, but it is erotica. It is child erotica.'"
"Other law enforcement sources explained that it is important to understand the atmosphere in which a book like this is discovered. If it is found in the possession of someone who collects books on photography, that's one thing. If it is found among a collection of pornography, that might indicate that detectives were dealing with a pedophile.
"The I-Unit can confirm that when the book was confiscated, pornography was found, too. Search warrants list numerous porn magazines, movies, photographs and books that were taken as evidence.
"Both Dr. Farrell and Investigator Gelfand call the discovery of mostly heterosexual pornographic magazines significant, because many molesters of young boys use such material to excite and stimulate their prey."Gee, what a surprise. I'd love to hear how the "Motown Alumni" spin this one. It would appear Mike's not the only one in dire need of a reality check. :smirk: LINK |
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Post by Gua on Jun 13, 2005 20:03:16 GMT -5
Well this thread is officially closed.....Mike was aquitted on all charges!!
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Post by Cadeho on Jun 13, 2005 22:58:26 GMT -5
This is how I feel in random order:
I don't think the jurors were swayed by Michael's stardom.
I never trusted Tom Sneddon (who's a cold man).
I think the prosecution put too much on the plate and put too much emphasis on a conspiracy and prior cases than the one they wanted to win.
Janet Arvizo is kooky and a stone cold liar which in turn helped make her children liars.
There were a few things I found credible about her testimony (like the licking of the head) which is bizarre and something I could see Michael doing... and she wasn't the only person to say they've seen him do that.
I don't think Gavin Arvizo was molested by Michael, not only because of the family's history and his mother's character, but the timeline didn't make sense to be molested AFTER the eyes of the world was on Michael.
Also he didn't like that Michael was moving on.
There was a story that Michael and Gavin's grandmother saying the exact same thing. Which of the two said it really if at all?
The Arvizo kids were brats and were out of control at Neverland.
I don't think they were given alcohol by Michael and for me it really wasn't proven that Gavin was drunk at the time of the accused molestation. It's said he was given alcohol on a plane, right? I had classmates that got into a wine cellar at 12-13.
The pornography, believe me, kids can find it. I found it and my school friends had found it by the 7th grade. The fingerprints were a non issue. Michael's would be on them since they were his magazines! Gavin and his brother's prints on them with Michael's doesn't mean they viewed them at the same time.
The books with nude boys fit the profile for pedophiles. However my personal belief with nudity in general doesn't mean sex or anything sexual. It depends on what actions are taking place for it to be considered pornography. The inscription in one of the books fit with Michael's beliefs about childhood. I have seen art/photography books with nudity (one of which by a Virginia photography who got in heat with Republicans here over a nude girl in her exhibit and I thought then at about 16, big deal, it's art). But that's the minds of people, everything is about sex.
The idea of holding a family hostage and trying to sweep them to Brazil was farfetched.
Neverland was not built as a lure to molest kids. That idea has got to be one of the dumbest I can imagine.
Michael does think he's Peter Pan and a perpetual 12 year old at times. He can turn it off and on whenever he desires. But look! Has anyone ever considered that the reason why he has an affinity for boys and surrounds himself with boys is that he IS Peter Pan and they are the Lost Boys?
Michael sharing his bed was not an illegal act. However, it is not normal behavior in our culture (and I don't know where it is). Michael should MOST DEFINITELY stop doing this. It would improve his image and maybe he wouldn't be such a target. People in general have sordid minds that make everything sexual, as Michael stated in the 2003 documentary. He's an example where I have found that out. I visited a former co-worker who was female and I told my other co-workers I went to visit her at her apartment and all of a sudden I was having a relationship. I was told that men don't have female friends unless they're doing something sexual which I think is stupid. Nothing of the sort went on or ever will, yet in their minds I was some kind of player. Actually she gave me her copy of Motown40 which I copied and returned to her. So, while I don't jump the the conclusion that if Michael has a boy in his bed that it is a sexual thing or something sinister is going on, I think doing so can lead people to believe it because of their own dirty minds. Think of Martin Bashir asking him why does he prefer climbing a tree over sex. I guess every guy is a sex addict and that is what most people believe.
Boys weren't the only people who have slept in his bed.
Is Michael really innocent? In Gavin's case yes, the tickling incident of the maid's son, maybe he did do something. Jordy's case, maybe that did happen. I do remember in 1993 I initially believed he did do it so much I had stopped listening to his music. Then I became suspicious of Jordy by 1995. And then I read what he said at smokinggun.com two years ago and it seemed credible enough but I wasn't convinced. Maybe he has molested in the past.
I have believed that Michael's 12 year old alter ego probably likes to play doctor and explore. Maybe he missed out on that as a kid? But growing up with 5 brothers it's not like he hasn't seen some things. I do think Michael has had conflicting signals when it came to sex and morality with his religion and life on the road with his father and brothers. I think it all made him retreat or stay at a certain phase. However, I do believe Lisa Marie and Debbie Rowe that they did their marital duties... creepy to fathom. Why would they lie? It's not hurting Lisa's career. Debbie seems to have feelings for him still.
As for his future as a recording artist, he'll never relive the 80s. I don't see him at Vegas either... (where artists go to die). I know he needs money, but really what's wrong with retiring? His music is not the same and it'd be great if he did record that he got away from all the scatting and noises and returned to actual melodic singing. It would be so hard for someone his age to get a #1 pop hit now. He's been washed up (for me) between "HIStory" and the EP "Blood on the Dancefloor." Michael is too weak to go on tour and to dance like he used to. He is after all growing old and he's had a few injuries. I don't think it'd be a good idea.
Is Michael a liar? At times he is. That whole jail mistreatment was pure lie. He's definitely reconstructed his face more than 2 times. He's had his PR people make up stories for the tabloids.
Maybe he should leave Neverland. The place should be a museum anyway. I think too he should stop cozying up with families and developing favorite pals with kids.
Michael shouldn't be so trusting with the people with whom he surrounds himself and those he decides to help. He should also listen to those who tell him NO and accept it!
To avoid this pain again, maybe he will change. He's not INVINSIBLE as his last album said. We know he's weird but he can go too far with it and maybe he knows that. He does need psychiatric help. Hey! Let's get Dr. Phil to help him get real!
All of a sudden it seems like the J5 song "One More Chance" applies. Who knew?
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Post by Beej on Jun 14, 2005 0:55:16 GMT -5
Doesn't change my opinion of Michael as a homosexual pedophile one bit.
There is a bright side, however. Now that the trial is over, Michael has plenty of free time to help OJ and Robert Blake search for the real killers. That trio's got "reality show blockbuster" written all over it.
See, I always find the silver lining! ;D
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Post by joeszulczewski on Jun 14, 2005 4:48:01 GMT -5
One question that many don't ask after a "circus" of this kind, is "How do you restore a reputation? How do you allow someone who has gone through this kind of media ordeal pick up the pieces and resume his life in a manner that he sees fit?
The unfortunate part of this is that we probably haven't seen or heard the last of this. It may be more difficult for the parasites to get all the blood they want out of Michael, but I can see some civil suits being launched against Michael. To quote Melvin Franklin, "And the band played on."
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Post by MissTara on Jun 14, 2005 7:58:43 GMT -5
Doesn't change my opinion of Michael as a homosexual pedophile one bit. There is a bright side, however. Now that the trial is over, Michael has plenty of free time to help OJ and Robert Blake search for the real killers. That trio's got "reality show blockbuster" written all over it. See, I always find the silver lining! ;D LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
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Post by kalisa2 on Jun 14, 2005 8:50:55 GMT -5
Let's also remember that while he was found "not guilty" of the charges as presented in this particular case, it does NOT mean he is "innocent".
I for one still do not know if he is truly guilty or innocent of the charges presented.... Which tells me that justice was served... there is reasonable doubt, since I am a reasoning person and I have some doubts about the veracity of this particular accuser and his family. I feel so sorry for a child that has been stricken with cancer... but simply because a child has been stricken with a terrible illness doesn't mean they can't lie or be coached to lie for their family's gain. The prosecutor, Snedden, needs to have HIS head examined for thinking he could foist these folks as credible witnesses... maybe he and Michael can get a group discount, since they both seem to need REAL professional help (IMO) in the head dept.
Michael IS guilty of felonious weirdness and criminal arrogance (and/or stupidity) for not heeding the wake-up calls he has been handed in the past. (I can't imagine him having gone through the humiliating examination he described, and payment of millions of $, and still keeping doing the same things... that's just nuts)
His future? Who knows? Not me. Since I also have 'reasonable doubt' that he is truly innocent... all I really care is that he leave little kids out of his sex/sleep life. Get that straight and God will take care of the rest. He's been more blessed than 99.9 of the population already, at least with fame and 'the finer things'... and the opportunity to do good with those blessings still exists.
Beejs: LOLOL!!! Sooo funny... and TRUE! ;D
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Post by Aba21 on Jun 14, 2005 9:34:08 GMT -5
Problem is to me, he was found innocent of all charges by a jury of his peers............nuff said. We been dealing with this for months now and its time to put it to "bed", pardon my pun. I don't care if he did or not. Just as with OJ, I didn't care. I believe that all the angst comes when someone is found innocent when it looks like they were guilty as all hell. I am curious to see how long we ride this horse. Probably long as Otis rides his!!!! LOL We can't retry him so let it go people!!!!
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Post by Cadeho on Jun 14, 2005 9:48:59 GMT -5
I loved what Jay Leno joked about last night. Imagine how Martha Stewart feels. OJ, Robert Blake, and MJ go free and she makes a phone call... PRISON!
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Post by MissTara on Jun 14, 2005 9:53:30 GMT -5
Tell you the truth, I'm sick of hearing about it.
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Post by kalisa2 on Jun 14, 2005 10:10:07 GMT -5
Tell you the truth, I'm sick of hearing about it. sorry to bore ya, hon  BUT... ( feel free to move on down the line of posts here ;D ) does anybody wonder how these people got so 'inner circle' they could pick up the phone and call these celebrities? Sheesh! I'm sure there are lots of sick kids (or NOT sick) out there who WISH they could just dial into Jay Leno, or Chris Tucker, or Michael Jackson, just a phone call, not a shopping spree etc. etc... |
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Post by Cadeho on Jun 14, 2005 10:27:49 GMT -5
That's a good question. Forget the kids wishing they could call whoever, I would too! Geez where do I start? Paris Hilton? Anyone from SNL past and present? Cast of the Simpsons? Steven Spielberg? Destiny's Child? T-Boz and Chili? Prince? Diana, Mary, and Cindy? Gordy?
Nah... I think I'll start with Otis!
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Post by joeszulczewski on Jun 15, 2005 6:25:15 GMT -5
That's a good question. Forget the kids wishing they could call whoever, I would too! Geez where do I start? Paris Hilton? Anyone from SNL past and present? Cast of the Simpsons? Steven Spielberg? Destiny's Child? T-Boz and Chili? Prince? Diana, Mary, and Cindy? Gordy? Nah... I think I'll start with Otis! Speaking of commentary.........Letterman's #1 after the MJ verdict..............."Preferrential treatment in LA court rooms for white guys." Speaking of MJ, heard he's taking up a new hobby...........making obscene phone calls..........collect. |
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Post by Cadeho on Jun 17, 2005 17:42:54 GMT -5
Whole lotta shakin' goin' on.... in Cali... is it MJ verdict related? |
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Post by Aba21 on Jun 20, 2005 8:50:32 GMT -5
They conducted an informal poll in the clubs in New York this weekend to see if there was any reaction to Michael's music being played, whether on juke box or with a dj...........well in our club they gave us five in a row, Rock WIth You, Wanna Be Startin Somethin', Beat It, Billie Jean and PYT. In my club people were on it and wanted to dance but we don't really have dancing in my club.just drinking!!!! ;D ;D ;D But the reaction was very positive!!!
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